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I'm thinking about getting one of the newer "Monaro's" one of the v2/ vz things, i noticed that some of them have the 5.7L v8

Is this the Aussie built 304 block that's been stroked?

I'd only consider one of these if the v8's available were Aussie built so any info would be excellent.

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They will have the LS1 'GM Powertrain' engine (they aren't called Chevs anymore)

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hello mick, holden stopped putting the aussie 304 v8 in cars during the vt series, so the monaro will have the gen3 chev. I have a gen3 in my 04 statesman and man, what an engine!

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hmm.

They're an all alloy chev motor. Google "LS1" (that's what they're called) and you'll find info on em.

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Thanks guys,

What a bugger i really wanted it to have a stroked 304.

Well now that i know that maybe i'll get the last model with the 6L in it

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And it's awesome, There no other way to describe it. I'd love to put one in a HR.

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Bought my wife the VX SS with the 5.7LTR GEN III motor. We had it for about 7 years. Drove it as far north as Shark Bay and as south as Albany. Never missed a beat. Is the best motor we have ever had. Just sold it to my daughter knowing it will last for a very long time. But did upgrade my work ute last year to to a 6LTR SS....Fark now they go even harder.......So if you see a middle aged old fart crusin around Mandurah in a Blue SS Thunder ute just give us a wave.....LOL....

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Wishing my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself...!!!

the rear quarter window dosent wind down,phuck the engine!

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WHAT? no gravy?

I totally agree there dave. I may well have gone into an extra debt for a Monaro last time I bought a car if the back window went down. Holden were just plain lazy there IMHO.

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hmm.

This window feature became common in the 90's. It isn't done out of laziness. It's generally done to provide shell stiffness, which aids handling and NVH (noise, vibration and harshness). Torsional stiffness of the body shell helps to comply with the safety standards of various markets too.
The messages of 'safer' and 'better handling' are good content for the copywriters to weave into a vehicle's marketing spin.

It will save a few dollars in parts and manufacture, but it is gererally done to meet an engineering goal.

HKing - cracked shell.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

well they should have put a sticker in the back saying 'you dont get a working window in this extra expensive car because we couldnt figure out how to make it strong enough just in case you get t-boned, so just ash you ciggie on the carpet'.

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hmm.

Nice.

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Huh?! Since when did vehicle manufacturers have to adapt designs for gormless f*cks who feel it necessary to ash their gaspers out a car window? That's nuts!

By that measure, gambling and alcohol addicts should have their 'needs' accomodated in cars, with things like blood-alcohol content analysers and online betting access built into the dashboard.

To facilitate the littering habits of nicotine addicts, they can
A. make the car heavier with more metalwork inside the shell, to maintain body rigidity with the existing size of the opening rear glass, or
B. expand the area of the steel side panel to maintain smake the steel panels go all the way up to maintain body rigidity with smaller size opening rear glass.

Both options are unacceptable, so we have the only remaining economical option.

HKing - battling the addiction to reply to inane posts.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

In your reply to my inane post your have mentioned a positive reply for alcoholism and a negative reply for gambling. A B.A.C. analyser is a good thing but online betting in your dashboard is a bad thing. Maybe you meant 'IN DASH COLD BEER ON TAP FOR ALCOHOLICS' to keep the trend on the negative. ANYWAY this Monaro is starting to seem like a pub on wheels! I just wanted the back window to go down, just like the Mercs and Bmw's mentioned in this thread. Oh and Holdens coupe 60 is pillar-less too, with a lowering rear window. So I guess when they can be bothered they can figure it out!

Curly - Non Smoker, just looking after me carpets.

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hmm.

Merc? Beemers?

Down here in real world of lower-budget-manufacturer-land the benefits of retaining fixed rear glass are seemingly self-explanatory. Nobody has said wind-down windows don't have there positives, but you'd hardly say the support of back seat nicotine addicts would be one of them. Don't forget that whilst Hannenberger was in charge of Holden, we saw the widest range of models, but at the expense of a pretty crook balance sheet. How bad? Look at how many of those models lasted very long in the range. Monaro sales were a joke.

Sheesh! The weight, complexity and expense of ANY feature (be it positive like B.A.C. processor, OR negative like a beer tap) all affect the ability to shift units for a sustainable profit. This is specially so in Holden's market territory, and especially so if it is going to have a negligible appeal to many prospective buyers.

Sales always make sence over even the most seductive styling.

HKing - of Rosewood.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

Yep self-explanatory as. Lazy. They thought no one would notice? Id like the reason from Holden themselvs. I mean, how hard would it be? they can do it in a door, and they open and shut as well!
I made my statement using smokers as just one example, in a barrel full of many. I think its everyones right to have a winding down window next to them in a car like this. There is one in every other car of that size and cost. I even remember one of the guys I knew that took delivery of one of the very first Monaros to arrive in Perth and to his suprise (and dissapointment) the bloody back windows didnt go down. They did on his HK coupe, that was built by them novices back in the 60's. The poor sales dont seem to match up with the current still very high second hand prices also IMHO.

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hmm.

Lazy? Huh?!?
Do you think the designing engineers just gave up on creating this feature and went to the pub insteas?
Blind Freddy knows a lot can happen to a company's sales and economic standing in just a few years. The same goes for legal safety requirements. Combine the the changes in these things and, over 2 or 3 decades, the old Monaro vs newer Monaro case is baseless.
Almost inevitably, the company 'bean counters' would have told the designers that they couldn't/wouldn't accommodate this otherwise desirable feature.

Clearly, second hand prices also have absolutely nothing to do with how many units the maker can shift at a profit when coming out of the factory. By that measure Bugatti wouldn't have gone dormant for DECADES, if the multi-million dollar secondhand prices for their Type 41 limousine were of any significance.

Granted, I thought you actually meant it when you said that smokers deserve/require a wind down window. However, "..its everyones right to have a winding down window next to them in a car like this" is a pretty funny argument. That's the oddest example of the concept of 'rights' that I've heard in ages, unless you're just winding me up with nonsense again :-)

HKing - logical centre-leftist.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

bmw,benz and others can do it,but the new monaro just isnt attractive with only the front window down,that pillar looks woefull.

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WHAT? no gravy?

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The coupe 60 looks nice, if i knew they were going to make them in the next few years i'd just wait and buy one.

Does anyone know if they'll release it?

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Mick I saw this on the gumtree, thought you might be intersted. Cheap monaro shell, put in any motor you want!
http://perth.gumtree...

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hmm.

Thanks mate but for once i'd like to have a car that is together, complete, running and needs no work.

I really wish i could find more info on the coupe 60- whether it will be put into production or not, i don't want to buy a monaro then find out they're gona make the coupe 60. It'd be nice having the options i want and the color trims etc that i want.

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I totally inderstand wanting a nice car that you can just get in and [Naughty Pottyword]ing go. thats why i bought my wl statesman. I guess there isnt much in the nets about the coupe 60, so short of ringing Holden in Melbourne I dont know how you would know. The closest thing to the 60 is the new Chev Camero aka bumblebee and that is based on the ve. BUT looking at pictures of it, again, the back window seems to be glued in!

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hmm.

thats why i never liked chargers,,good enough cars and all,the early ones had fixed glass then they went to those latch pop out an inch ones,,pathetic effort,can you imagine any 70s american coupe without a wind down side window in the rear?not quite the same are they,how cool are four door pillarless?

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WHAT? no gravy?

Oh yeah! 4 door pillarless is the bomb. I saw a 68 (or somthing) Pontiac Pariessian 4 door pillarless, flat black, looked gangster and it took up THE ENTIRE PUB CARPARK.

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hmm.

you have to keep a tin of white paint in the boot,,you park where you want then paint a line around it so you dont get booked.

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WHAT? no gravy?

i want to stay Aussie built tho, i can almost handle having a yanky engine but i want the car made here.

I think i'll wait a while, maybe get an early vt with the 304 to keep as my daily until i can figure out if they will release the coupe 60 or if i should get a monaro.

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it has a hyundai coupe rear side glass,very claustrophibic if your in the rear,smoker or not.
imagine if you will,a hq coupe with a fixed rear window???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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WHAT? no gravy?

I tend to sit in the front of the car when driving my monaro, so the fixed rear windows have never been an issue. Being a non smoker and having climate control there has been few occasions I have actually used the front windows.
Have owned the car since new, and would rate it as the best car I have owned, which is one of the reasons I still have it.

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Lovely; this is what i wanted to hear- some good stuff about the Monaro.

I'm thinking of getting one of the later 2006 models with the ls2, with a max of 80k km on the clock.

I might be looking for a while though.

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