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Hi Guys,

Does anyone know about the 5 speed box that was fitted to the 80's corona's with the starfire engines? I've heard rumors it was a derivative of the borg warner box found in the VH's (M75/M76)

What I'm chasing to see if the borgwarner (might be called a 505 5 speed box that's apparently/maybe in the corona with the starfire) has the same bolt pattern between box and bellhousing as the borgwarner M75/6 5 speed used in the commodores.

Reason for the effort is the corona has a hydraulic clutch, if the bellhousings are a swap on a M76 it will be easier to adjust the hydraulic clutch setup on my HT to suit the corona slave cylinder than trying to fit a cable setup on the HT pedal box to suit the stock VK 5 speed cable clutch. It would mean i'd end up with a Vk 5 speed with a corona bellhousing to a holden 6 but it would mate and work.

(no i'm not going to just shove a celica/supra 5 speed in - so don't suggest it ;)

Thanks

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I'm happy to be corrected about this....

I think there could be minor problem with your enquiry.

From what I recall, in those early 80's Australian built Corona sedans with the Starfire donk [EDIT - XT130 model, as advised in post further down], they were only offered with a 4sp 'box. The only Coronas that had 5sp boxes were the fully imported 5dr/hatchback version with the 2 litre Toyota motor.

Hope that clarifies some things during your search.

HKing - boxed in.

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Not too sure , but any info may help!?/

I had a starfire Commy with a 4spd TorqueMaster. I rebiult a Corona motor to go in it. i found no difference that stood out. The Corona just had the Toyota TM on the internals.

As they say, the Starfire was designed from the 6 cyl motor, hence a 6cyl box should fit. Input shaft i'm not sure. Couldn't see how/why it would be different.

One thing I don't know is, if all 6 cyl's had the same engine/bellhousing pattern! (silly, but you can't know everything! It may not shed any light, but you never know)

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I HATE it when TV shows destroy the old classics........ The money they waste on destroying them, they could send the bloody things to me. I'd be more than happy to have them!

AFAIK XT130 Coronas were only available with 4spd manuals. They were Borg Warner gearboxes.

Jeff.

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The bigger, boxy 2litre RT140 Corona had a Borg Warner five speed gearbox that was made in the Phillipines. I'm don't know if is the same as the Commodore Borg Warner 5 speed.
The RT142 Corona 2.4litre Avante (same shape as a RT140)had a different imported Japanese gearbox which was actually a W58 Supra box.
David

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Old is good.

I have seen 2 coronas with a starfire and a borg warner 5 Speed.
It appeared to be the same box as in the VH / VK with the big "5" cast in the side.
But - they were both station wagons.
From memory the clutch was hydraulic, so the bellhousing ??????
The tail shaft was a 2 piece unit.
The extension housing, output shaft and yoke - who knows.

cheers Jim

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Yes, the "Starfire" Corona's did come with an optional "505" Borg-Warner 5-speed. I have no idea if they're the same bolt pattern as the "M76" . The other thing to check would be the lengths of the input shafts. A "T5" Borg-Warner, with a bellhousing from "dellowconversions.com.au" would be a better option.

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I've confirmed that the BW in the corona Xt130's was an M76 housing based on rebuild kits and gaskets etc so it _will_ attach to the bellhousing ok but the output shaft on the corona was different to a holden, more splines so the bellhousing might be a different depth,

getting there, unfortunaly both vehicles are rare and finding both parts to check might not happen,

will let you know if I figure it out.

Slave cylinders are very different in bore too so might have to sleave my master cylinder to get it to work.

..still easier than a cable setup

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Bob_oz

Hi,

Yep I can confirm that the Starfire Corona's did come out with a 5 speed M76 box same as the VH Starfire Commodore's.

However I did buy one back in the day from a wrecker to fit into my UC Hatchback Sunbird with Starfire.

The bell housing and input shafts are different.
The tip of the input shaft does not protrude from the front of the bell housing.
I then bought a Commodore bell housing from the wreckers.
However you have to re shim the front bearing to match this.

At this point I gave up and sold the box to a friend who did manage to get it to match up to his 202 in his LJ Torana with a lot of work (Still using the original bell housing from the corona).

Later I just went and bought a M76 out of a 2.8 Commodore. (It still sits here under the house) LOL.

Now to complicate things worse.
M76 from a Starfire Commodore has a shorter tail housing.
M76 from a 2.8 Commodore has a longer Tail housing.
In a Starfire Commodore you can mate the 2.8 M76 into the car buy using the front tail shaft section section from a Auto 6cyl Commodore. Perfect fit.

I have a wrecked Starfire VC here where someone has done just that.

As I've just blown the clutch in my VC Starfire Commodore today I will be pulling out and transplanting that m76 (2.8), clutch, tail shaft, cables etc this coming week. (Weather permitting).

So can tell you more about it then maybe.

Oh LH, LX, UC Torana with 6cyl can take a Commodore 2.8 M76 Box by using a LJ tail shaft.

Hope this is all useful information for someone in the future still playing with these cool old Starfire motors.

~Ken~
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