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So the VK EFI setup is apparently crap!!!
By E49 01/07/09@18:11
So according to a fair few guys on oldholden, the VK fuel injection is a really crappy setup. I personally think that because the system is so basic, and apparently prehistoric that it is great. Aren't the simple things in life often the best?? If the average backyard mechanic "i.e. yourself" can't make sense of it, then it's of probably no use to me. Some of the comments from some members, I found exceptionally rude, un-confirmed, and definately not to the point. If the system is so [Naughty Pottyword], then why: 1] Do most people with old holden sixes prefer to do the VK EFI transfer 2] If the VC-VH commodore as stock and factory boasted better 1/4 mile times that an XY-GT Falcon with just over half the engine capacity, what makes that so bad??? 3] The VK EFI setup even supercedes the vc-vh specification, making it even faster and more powerful than it's predecesors. 4] GM Holden would never have ran the in-line holden 6 technology for so long if it had no potential. 5] note: the basic tech of this engine has been around since 1938 with the grey motor, and it was gradually improved with future models up until around 1986. a VK efi motor is just as punchy and performs just as well as any general vehicle around nowadays. Although there are a lot of vehicles out there with higher outputs and torque "who cares", they're still a very competitive machine and quite capable of dragging off a new holden, ford or just about any production car around. They are still quite capable of giving most cars a run for their money. And to me that makes them a good machine!. Unfortunately there are a lot of self-proclaimed mechanics out there "i.e. the dick from gorringes engine machining shop in Tas that totalled my dad's $3500 speedway 12-port head", most of them have extremely closed minds and biased views, and wouldn't know an old holden-6 if it dropped on their heads.! |
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Jangley..
Look a little deeper into oldholden (work guides, sheds etc) & you will find people who do like the VK efi (myself included). As I stated in my cam thread VK efi is a dinosaur & there have been huge improvements in in efi technology since it was made.But it suits a 30 year old red motor pretty well & is something some of us could/can/have/might fit. Dont take offence from the people who dont like it, they dont like it..thats ok.
The great thing about oldholden is so many different people & ideas...some months back I likened oldholden to a huge "shed party", full of young, old, male, female, novices & experts etc. I you dont like what you hear...pick up your stubbie & move from the heater over to the bar :)
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Yeah, I guess that some of
Yeah, I guess that some of the negative opinions don't really matter to me, as long as I am happy with what I have, which I think is great. I'm not particularly upset about what has been said, it's just that I like to hear more constructive criticisms. To hear someone compare the VK efi setup to a camira, is beyond my comprehension "and most others no doubt", and totally lack's evidence. I guess there are a lot os self-proclaimed mechanics outthere with their own bizarre views, but that one did totally baffle me. Even if you could rate it compared to a camira, I'm still happy with the setup, as it far outweighs most carb-fed 202's in many different aspects.
I'm a true-blue aussie and I love my holdens "Holden was Australia's Own car", and to really disregard "diss" them would be un-australian in my opinion.
more constructive criticisms
THANKS
Would it have sat better with you if Shane had compared it to the same system that is fitted to an XF. Or..wait, I know..a U.S. Spec Alfa Romeo GTV6. Yes/no/maybe?
They all run the same system.
You should check out Shane's shed for more of this self-proclaimed mechanic's bizarre views.lol.
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"I'm a true-blue aussie and I love my holdens "Holden was Australia's Own car", "
Well said Mate! I share the pride you take in your work as my shed HZ images prove.
T
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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.
Too late T
THANKS
This dude is gone like last weeks pay. lol
Emus Paddock
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LOL
THANKS
Just like you said your jap mate was.
T
Shed
Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.
Lower than low
THANKS
Not impressive Tim. Not impressive at all.
Emus Paddock
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why:
THANKS
1. A lot of blokes do it because they can't afford other options. But more seem to run carb set ups.
2. Maybe a VK GrpA, but an EFI VK would get mauled by an XY-GT over a quater.
3. Later models tend to always have improved specifications.
4. If it had any potential they would have sqeezed another model run out of it and not used someone elses motor.
5. Yeah. Yeah. And model Ts had an updraft carby. What is the point.
A standard VK EFI system is more punch drunk than punchy. They certainly don't perform anywhere near as well as later injection designs. If you manage to drag off anything other than a smart car in an EFI VK, it wont be because of the awesome induction system. It will just simply be a matter of the lady in the 180B not really trying.
The Bosch EFI is great for the home handyman to fit to his early Holden. But if you are trying to say that an EFI 202 VK is a good car. I would have to disagree. IMHO they are the model where the old holden and new holden line is drawn. They are the point where I look at GMH and think, "nah, sorry dude. You have lost me".
But...God luck with your VK dude. If you need a vacuum diagram to get your heater to turn on this winter, give me a yell.lol.
Cheers.
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Purrrfection
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Well said Campbell, i just deleted my response as it just paled into insignificence after reading yours, lol.
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paled into insignificence
THANKS
You depressed mate?
You should have more confidence in yourself.lol.
Cheers.
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Sorry ?
THANKS
Missed what ya said then mate, guess i wasn't paying attention...
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Missed what ya said
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You should have posted it up anyway.
It seems like it has the potential to be a very funny thread.lol.
Cheers.
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An XY-GT??? Outpacing a
An XY-GT???
Outpacing a holden 6. well certainly not a good one!. A little 186 XU-1 motor would lap an XY-gt, and have done so many-a-time in the past. So I don't think it would be practical to say when I've seen many old-school race docco's where the XY got totally flogged!
Sorry to say, campbell. If you love fords so damn much, why don't you just trade in all your holden's in for one. You clearly don't like holden as much as ford!.
VK vs XY
THANKS
I'm pretty sure the XU-1 didn't run the crappy VK EFI setup. Isn't that what you're trying to defend?
Maybe you should ditch the VK setup and put install a set of XU-1 triples
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double post
would lap an XY-gt
THANKS
One does not do laps of a quarter mile track.
Cheers.
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I'm sorry
If I have slightly offended you jlangley666, I am deeply regretful, as with everything I do, I aim high and try to do my best.
From now on, I'll try a little harder.
Shane.
HPEngines
Shane's "Sorry"?
THANKS
Now, ^^^THAT^^^ is DEFINITELY the funniest post I have read on here in a LOOOONG time! :-D
When are you booked in for the operation to have your tongue removed from your cheek, Shane?
Some (other) people need to have an Optorectomy IMHO...
Cheers...Dave
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No operation Dave,
I've had my share of them. Don't need any more.
I'm keeping my tounge right where it is, as life would be real sh!tty other wise.
That "Optorctomy" comment cracked me up. (I'll be honest, had to google it) I think they should be available on the free medical list, or at least be able to be claimed on Medicare.
Shane.
HPEngines
There seems to be too many
There seems to be too many ford lovers/supporters in this place for me. I thought it was called oldholden.com. Might as well change the name to old ford.com. THere's no aussie pride and patriotism here, just american hype. It's a shame that good quality information is lacking in this place.
Sorry for wasting my time, and the fact that I thought I was talking to genuine aussie-bloke holden supporters and backyarders.
I was wrong!!!
Aw C'mon
Don't be like that.
Shane.
HPEngines
aussie pride and patriotism ?????????
Where are all the spares made mate?
Im just about over doing up my old holdens sick of replacing the same aftermarket parts. Why do i drive old cars and fix them myself in my shed cause Im a poorper.As for patriotism
been spat on too many times to continue.
Well all be ruined said hanrahan
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There seems to be too many
"It's a shame that good quality information is lacking in this place. "
Mate, you WILL get good advise from the helpful people here if you ask a F#$ken sensible question. I personally have not looked at any of your posts after the first few because I felt quite sure you already new it all anyway. The likes of us that have been doing this type of thing for 20 years or more and in my case and that of others here actually make a living out of it (and Fords by the way) have been in awe of you since your appearance. Live long and prosper. Goodbye..
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See ya...
You are THE major candidate around here for an optorectomy...
Cheers...Dave
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i think the vk efi motor was
i think the vk efi motor was a good motor back in its time , and if you want to keep a str8 6 holden motor in your old holden it would be the best to use..
dont forget the bosch efi system used on the vk , was also used on , ford , volvo , Peugeot , renualt , BMW , OF THE TIME , and also the camira..
BUT COMPARE IT TO THE EFI sytems that follow it is as the others say a basic and simple system , but it done its job in its time..
THE people you say are knocking it are just comparing it to the efi systems that have come after it , there not anti holden at all..
wombat
On ya way out....
THANKS
Shut the bloody door and sweep up ya bread crumbs, don't want any of ya rello's finding their way back here..We're not running a hillbilly convention ya know; Sheeesh.
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LOL - cya jlangley ya twat
THANKS
Keep them rello's away bruz.
Emus Paddock
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VK efi
Dont worry mate, theres still a few around who have faith in such a great system.
I think its a ripper. if theres one way to get good performance in your old holden while still being able to say you have a holden 6, and not spending 10 grand on a custom build, this is it. Ive fitted it to my one tonner project initially because of p plate v8 laws, but have now decided its staying even after i get off my p's.
It really pisses me off how 90% of the people you talk to say "uh, duh, ummmmmmmmmm, put a v8 in it, duhhhhh" (really dumb moron voice). Im not saying holden v8's are bad motors, because they arnt, but a good 6 definitely turns more heads. Anyone with half a brain could walk out and drop in some clagged up v8, then drive round thinkin there all tuff. I would like to see even 1 of these pricks get out with wiring diagrams and a soldering iron late at night and build a loom like me and dad did.
As i said previously im not having a go at v8's, they are great motors and theres no question ill own one one day, im just having a go at SOME of the people who insist you MUST have them. If your opinion differs to mine i couldn't really give a [Naughty Pottyword], thats your opinion not mine.
The system is a simple one, but its still very effective. plus there enough wiring and hoses on it already, i dont want all the extras that come with oxygen sensors and [Naughty Pottyword] of later models. not to mention the cost of a later system.
As for this site not being very usefull, thats just bull[Naughty Pottyword]. this site is the best, even if it has a few morons hanging round it who insists every car ever built must have a v8 in it or its gay (or some 6 the average person cant afford).
Great post mate
THANKS
I totally recommend to anyone putting a VK EFI into an old holden and wiring it all up - great educational experience. Brilliant way to learn.
I did this very thing a few years back....put the whole shooting match into a HX ute. Spent a few late nights wiring it up and got it running. Took it for a quick spin and was pissed with the performance or lack thereof so pulled it out and swapped all the EFI gear to Tim (HRambo - a member from here) for a 6-pack of piss. I wasn't upset with the wasted time cos it wasn't wasted. Great education and fun times at home.....totally recommend it.
HOWEVER, do not expect it to be anything it aint. It will not slam your doors or in stock form go anywhere near as hard as a stock VN etc. IMHO, its a smoother running, more thirsty (yes LESS efficient), prettier version of those ducksh!t varijet II carbs.
Cheers,
Emu Brains
Emus Paddock
"Got a steering wheel down my orp. It's driving me orp."
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EFI VK 3.3
THANKS
I think the EFI VK Engine is a very cost effective upgrade for a red/blue/black powered Car.
Nothing from the Bellhousing back needs to change though a Gearbox that can handle the increased power is recommended. The usual Speedo, Clutch, Gear Selector, Rear Crossmember, Tailshaft problems do not occur.
You don't need an Engineer's Certificate to do the job in NSW.
All the Engine and Bellhousing Bolts are the same and you simply fit the Sump and Pickup tube that came with the Car to preserve the Steering and Crossmember clearance.
The differences lie in the Throttle Cable, Exhaust, Fuel Line and Electrics which are the same challenge as fitting any different Engine.
After my conversion I locked the Z in second and floored it.
The nearside front wheel screwed itself off the ground and stayed there until I dropped the Throttle. That may be because I believe in using tall diff ratios, replaced the 7 Blader with Fan Braking twin Thermos and upgraded the standard EFI VK 3.3 HEI which was a very tame plot.
T
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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.
Wheel standing HZ??
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T, did you get your HZ to wheelstand with an VK EFI six fitted?
Cheers,
Emu Brains
Emus Paddock
"Got a steering wheel down my orp. It's driving me orp."
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Signs
THANKS
You're showing signs of me getting to you again barren.
T
Shed
Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.
Short memory?
THANKS
T, if you remember I was one of your great fans - right up until the bit you wrote that racist crap about said "Jap mate". Not many around here would remember but we are old dogs now mate.
You don't get to me dude. I am a relaxed bloke enjoying life, but I really do want to hear more about how you managed to get a 100kw engine to wheelstand a HZ kingswood. :-)
Cheers,
Emu Brains
Emus Paddock
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It Seems To Be The Facts
THANKS
"The nearside front wheel screwed itself off the ground"
A simple fact. Note that the word "wheelstand" does not appear in the sentence.
As per usual it's the facts I post that stir your peaceful inner self and they are not even directed at you.
I watched a recent Australian Story about a digger who had been slave labour in a jap mine during WWII. The mine was owned by the current japanese prime minister's family.
All the digger wanted was an apology. You guessed it, none was forth coming.
On the other hand I notice a new spate of anti-NAZI films, The Reader, The Boy in Striped Pyjamas.
It's still OK to pay out on the Germans big time and to make millions doing it, but don't say anything about the exact same crimes having been committed by japan or you'll risk being labelled racist.
I have no concern for mud flinging by the uninformed. Cultural cringe has never been my forte. Neither do I support this 21st century double standard.
Day by day japan's position of no apology and no reparation is weakening and this world economic depression doesn't favour their cause. I want to live to see that apology.
I also rejoice in Obama attaining the US presidency.
Ignoring current events might make the double standard easier to stomach but it doesn't alter the facts.
It may simply be too that you are upset because you were unable to get the same results from an EFI VK 3.3 as me.
I persist with my endeavours. It's part of an Australian tradition of inventiveness independence and resourcefullness. Something in which this nation used to take pride.
T
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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.
246598.78rwhp EFI 202
THANKS
Well what the hell are you talking about when you say,"The nearside front wheel screwed itself off the ground"?
Did you like pop a ball joint or something dude?
If so, it was probably Chinese. Not a pumped up Jap 555 unit.
I don't want an apology. I just want good suspension components.
Cheers.
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To "T"
THANKS
Hear, hear.
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THANKS
Now that would be nice.
As for an apology ?..."I'm sorry we bombed Japan, shoulda went after China", lol.
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I like me some history.
The Japanese killed more than the Germans. They indiscriminatly killed civilians in China and South East Asia from 33-45.
But you shouldn't turn that into a personal attack. After all, i'm pretty sure they weren't there or had anything to do with it.
On another point, i watched a doco about the Emperor of Japan, who up until now had been seen as a innocent puppet who only listened to his generals. It proved that nothing could be done without his approval, and that he had ignored his advisors and gernerals. It was pretty good.
T - EFI experience?
I am happy for folk to go nuts over the simple but effective VK EFI systems, but am still curious about exactly what you meant by "The nearside front wheel screwed itself off the ground and stayed there until I dropped the Throttle."
I saw that same Aust Story and lamented their PM's ugly stance, but it didn't tar my image of Japanese folk. Errm, its NOT ok to pay out on Germans big time. Or Japanese. Or Argentinians, Kenyans, Zimbabweans, Iranis, Burmese, Israelis, Palestinians or Seppos for that matter. Just because their dictators or entire governments were/are horrendous, ugly despots doesn't make the populuation ALL bad. I think sweeping generalisations demean those who state them more than the recipient.
The suggestion that an entire people are defined by their government is preposterous. It's down at the same level as the embarrassing, blinkered jingoism that says Australians have a special claim to 'mateship' or ingenuity. What country does NOT have both visionary geniuses & millions of oxygen-wasting sef-absorbed dolts, greedy & selfless, innocent & guilty, bigoted & broad-minded? Every country also has its despicable propagandists, Australia included, like it or not.
Michael of Bris.
Lest WE forgot...
THANKS
Pretty quick to jump down the Jap's throat about war crimes/atrocities but gee... we plumb forgot that we dropped a bomb on, not one but TWO major cities full of civillians.
So you tell me who the animals are.
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Nicely Nicely
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I marvel at the way you can so easily reduce the horrendous crimes of the past to so much latter day nicey nice,
then post up here how you hate being bothered by Indian phone callers simply trying to make a living out of selling you something.
Aren't those wonderous and wonderful Indian people from over the oceans your brothers simply trying to make their way in the world? How could you be resentful of them given all your repeated postings of warmth and kindness about your fellow man?
Might it be that the minor inconvenience of the repeated phone calling has revealed the limit of your real tolerance
and that if you'd been slave labour on the Burma railway you'd be just as bitter as those who survived?
You recently posted your age, so I guess you didn't routinely share trains or buses with maimed veterans as I did.
I think you would need to be inhuman not to take up their cause (as one veteran asked of the nation).
WRT the nearside wheel:
Conditions:
Slight up hill, tach just under 5000 RPM, second gear, 2.78 diff, throttle wide open.
As I've posted so many tmes before until the benefits of tall gearing have been fully experienced statements deriding
the outcomes can at best be considered conjecture, sport for those seeking a bit of a giggle and an opportunity for the aggrieved to try to get even.
In each case the intent is evident in the tone.
T
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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.
What the?
THANKS
"WRT the nearside wheel:
Conditions:
Slight up hill, tach just under 5000 RPM, second gear, 2.78 diff, throttle wide open."
Dude, tell me you are kidding? You managed to get your HZ body and chassis to twist under the power of your VK EFI 202 enough to raise the nearside wheel off the tarmac until you got off the "power"??
I've read some crap and heard many an exaggerated yarn but this my fellow orper does take the cake. Either get off drugs/piss or ramp up the meds dude....
Surely someone here will have an equation or formula which will calculate the sort of drivetrain required to lift the front wheel of a HZ. I guarantee it will take a whole lot more than a dirty arsed EFI 202, trimatic and a 2.78 banjo.
Peace all.
Cheers,
Emu Brains.
Emus Paddock
"Got a steering wheel down my orp. It's driving me orp."
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What the?
I had a 308 hz wagon nearly 300hp, twisted a bit, but not that much. Maybe he had a 30ft caravan on the towball, or a dozen bags of cement in the back. ;)
See my post "oh the power!"
Entertainment
THANKS
You're providing me with some wonderful entertainment demonstrating how far under your skin I'm getting (truly unintentional on my part).
I don't care what aspects of my posts you accept or reject your flailings are sufficient reward.
T
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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.
Don't mention the war.
Hi Tim,
Huh?
The position of your post in the thread is in reply to mine, but I don't understand how much of the content is related to me.
"latter day nicey nice"??
My resentment of "wonderful Indian people from over the oceans.."??
This stuff is mystifying!
Assume all you like about how close my experience to results of war, but I certainly have never diminished the horrors commited by soldiers or the related policies by governments.
I was just suggesting that deriding an entire nationality on the basis of their army or gov't is fundamentally flawed. Not fair on all the reasonable and harmless Germans. Equally, a baseless assessment of all the reasonable and harmless Japanese - even the one's who've worked for Nissan. I'm sure disgusting individuals live under excellent governments, and often quite wonderful communities live under despicable governments. Fight for peoples' causes and slag off or pay out the awful pollies or brutal generals as much as you want though.
What was all that defensiveness about tall gearing provoked by? No derision from me for it or doubt of its benefits. I'm just curious about the claim of raising a wheel off the ground. Did you mean you 'floored it' and had the car on 3 wheels for a bit? I might be the only one to ask 'why bother', but am not the only one surprised that it could occur.
Michael of Bris.
Finally someone with some
Finally someone with some brains.
THe VK EFI is a very cost effective setup. A dirty 350 holley would cost you more than to get this setup running. And I find that it's about as good as you can get. Some people have rated them better than a good set of tripples. That makes it good to me. Once it's runnning, there's no stuffing around, and practically noting can go wrong.
Seriously
Once it's runnning, there's no stuffing around, and practically noting can go wrong.
Your joking right?
Shane.
HPEngines
Finally someone with some
The problem you have is that you have no real understanding of later engine management systems so you have convinced yourself that it can't get any better than what you've got. The VK Bosch LE Jetronic system was old and antiquated when Holden decided to use it. It was only ever going to be a stop gap measure to get them through to VL and the tougher emmission regs. Bosch was only to happy to supply this system to Holden as it gave them an avenue to move parts no longer being used by other manufacturers who have moved on.
It is a simple, relatively inefficient system that is probably best suited to those who want to tinker but don't want to or can't afford to move to a later system with vastly higher processing power and functionality
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whats the factory output
whats the output of a carby black vk motor from factory, compaired to efi version?
If the efi was fitted to a red 6, woudent it also require the efi cam to be fitted also?
output of a black 202
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EST:
Power: 86kw at 4200rpm
Torque: 232Nm at 2600rpm
Compression Ratio: 8.8:1
EFI:
Power: 106kw at 4400rpm
Torque: 266Nm at 3200rpm
Compression Ratio: 8.8:1
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Sorry campbell
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Not true mate.
T has jagged approx 600kw out of his 202 EFI by removing the fan and fitting a VH dizzy. Note 500kw is a guesstimate at the requirement to lift a front wheel off the ground on launch in a HZ (tipping a set of sticky Mickey Thompsons on the rear would be required also).
Holden were clearly talking down the output of this powerplant to hand even more new car sales to the very popular XE & XF Falcons.
Do you reckon a set of klickers and brisks would detach the front end and send it into orbit???
Cheers,
Emu Brains.
Emus Paddock
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wheel standing
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i think you will find the extra 500hp came from the addition of a oldholden sticker, lol
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Wheelstanding HZ
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Oh T, seriously bruz. Please explain exactly how you managed to get your 100kw HZ to do....."The nearside front wheel screwed itself off the ground".
Entertain us mate.
Cheers,
Emu Brains.
Emus Paddock
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oh the POWER!!
Firstly a vc-vh commodore can't be compared to a xy, there chalk & cheese. Ones a TANK.
Secondly, early fuel injection does have it's benefits, like simplicity, and it has it's place in history, but it's just that - history. Technological advancement can't be argued, modern computer controlled efi is more versatile and will produce more power.
Thirdly, If it's power you want, stop stuffing around with old efi,trying to make a supercar from obsolete junkyard bits, and GET SOME CUBES!!!
P.S. I think I'll take my 600hp 400 chev out and put in an efi 202, 'cause it doesn't lift the wheel!!
(get some new springs man.)
Technological Advancement
THANKS
"Technological advancement can't be argued, modern computer controlled efi is more versatile and will produce more power."
The growing string of unbelievable failures produced by modern Digital ECU controlled cars has to be experienced to be believed.
I know you're describing this as progress but my view is that the electronics has well and truly passed its benefits.
No longer do electronics make the vehicle longer lasting and more efficient.
They now make the vehicle prone to a tow-truck fix rather than a simple tweak, horrendous repair costs and a vehicle purchase price that often precipitates bankruptcy. If the Regulator goes over volt, the car gets fried.
It may be that you and I have different expectations for progress but I'll take the EFI VK analogue computer over a Von Neuman's digital ECU for just as long as it's practically achievable.
T
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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.
Technlolgical advancement
T, I do agree,if it's reliability and driveability you want, but in a perfect world (on a dyno) the new modern systems like WOLF will make the HP.
It does come down to individual preference and experiences in actual use though, and I personally cant be naffed with the hassle of any EFI.
When competetive drag car teams use efi i'll think about it, until then, give me a carby.
You're Not Alone
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You're not alone with the carby view.
T
Shed
Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.
is that true?...
the efi vk version adds 20kw to power output?
My stock grey motor shure could use a extra 20kw
Carby bloke myself
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Always been a carby bloke.
So those who know have a clue..What'd outperform on the same motor..The EFI or toss it for a properly jetted/tuned 34ADM weber ?
I'm not dissing the EFI as it's only gotta be as good as the car it's fitted to and well..do i need to say cru..cra..comm..more ? lol.
Hey T,
If ya break your shovel mate, I'll give you another one coz i too would LOVE to hear more about how ya managed a wheelsta..mon...er, "The nearside front wheel screwed itself off the ground" :-P
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Why EFi sucks
Well said Dusty.
Did the flagsip model ie - Brock commodore, have efi?
Efi at the time, was based purely on fuel economy. The 80's economic crisis even caused a 4 cyl (ppff!!) commodore to be included. Efi did evolve, and today it dominates - I have 2 modern efi cars, but they are daily drivers, cheap A to B, NO LOVE.
Carbies are the essence of old holdens, they are what makes them great to drive.
You can feel it in your right foot - efi doesn't give you that.
P.s. Maybe T used a 450 shot of NOS!! :)
202 EFI big banger
Look. Here's a bloke with a 202 EFI in his HQ Monaro. it must be the first time out for him because after about 3 seconds he gets scared and lets his foot up and the car drops it's wheel back down.
http://www.youtube.c...
Check the green HQ at the 52 second mark. 1273 rwhp. 202 EFI for sure. http://www.youtube.c...
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EF1 202 1270rwhp
I saw a 202 top fueller once....made 7000hp....naturally aspirated of course!
The only problem with a 202 is it's only half an engine...
HQ at the 52 second mark
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202 EFI with upgraded standard EFI VK 3.3 HEI for sure.
Cheers.
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i wish i flew elona gay ,,id
i wish i flew enola gay ,,id ave dropped two!!!
its the sequential system
its the sequential system thats better ,thats all ..with better mapping ,,unforntunatly ,,if it stops and youve no multi meter or laptop ,you cant use "barbed wire" to limp home many new (most)young mechanics cant set pionts ,,or they will set timing first ,,then set points ..were stuck with electronics now ,been to the tip lately??? some good looking TVs? ,,all buggered ,im keeping my q!!!!!!!
EFI 202 updated
Being serious this time. I reckon a EFI 202 would be really neat if you gave the neanderthal computer the flick and replaced it with something really modern, and added a knock sensor and a wideband oxygen sensor. Having the computer being able to "learn" the engine as in fact modern ones do would go a long way toward getting the most out of it.
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For performance applications
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For performance applications the VK EFI is great for the manifold and fuel rail. The rest of the system leaves a lot to be desired.
The biggest issue is the air flow meter. It is to a 202, what a snorkel is to Wanderlei Silva.
Cheers.
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LOLersnorkle
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Suspense is orping me
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OK, I'll be the first to admit that I am hanging to read so much more about T wheelstanding his HZ with an EFI 202, but this silence leads me to believe he has been cursed by a bad internet connection. T is normally very keen to defend his honour....but then again maybe his shovel dug too deep this time.
Cheers,
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Emus Paddock
"Got a steering wheel down my orp. It's driving me orp."
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Good times........
Or maybe he's out wheelstanding.....
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