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Hello everyone, it's been a while since I checked in to chew the fat, I been busy.However, in light of the pending federal election, I cannot help but be concerned about the Bill shorten's electric car policy and his zero emissions garbage. I heard the other day a set of figures that Bill wants to introduce, but to cut a long story short, I think anyone who has a passion or hobby for any vintage/veteran/classic car/bike/truck or steam vehicles should worry, as I think we are all going to be taxed off the road by these green idiots, if Bill and his Greens mates get elected.
I will try and post a link with relevant information as I find it.
a few years back I posted information that a nationals MP shared that showed new taxes and I think led to no more car manufacture here, and I can only sense that the ALP will only continue to carry on regardless. Not only will our classics become worthless, they will also destroy a multi-million dollar industry that goes with it as well.
for the record, I used to be a staunch Labor supporter, but in recent years i am finding it harder to support the party that has now lurched so far left it isn't funny. I remain wary of the coalition too, but somehow they don't seem to want to come after our cars.
I can't tell you who you should vote for, but I am urging you all to think carefully before you do.
The Poms did the same, and there are now abandoned air fields full of classic English cars just sitting, because the owners could not afford the tax the govt. placed on them because of the CO2 emissions.
Crucify me for along political rant if you must, but I am only trying to raise a concern that will affect everyone. have a safe and Happy Easter, everyone.

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Nar mate not political......just a heads up.any i reckon the big oil dudes wouldn't allow it to much money to be made

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I don’t really think they see the whole picture. They say [Naughty Pottyword] to appease others. The major parties have lost contact with the Australian public and need to be taught a lesson.

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Anyone bring the Beef Jerky? Original style please.

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Yea just like they were going to covert cars to LPG lol
The trucking company’s use diesel fuel and so do the goods trains out of the cities and as for Co2 some used a product called “Av blue” which is a liquid that runs through the exhaust systems, cars run unleaded fuel or premium fuel and run cat converters for Co2,
Don’t they? My Old Holden does when I updated my engine 19 years ago to a TPI Chev
Yes GAS will be used for heating and cooking and sold overseas then put into gas bottles and sold back to Australia lol
Because it’s to hard to do it hear and to costly lol
As for not being in touch with the public lol there to “scared” to meet the public cose people will tell them where to go or what they Should be doing
And that’s to hard for the little children to take in for the day cos they want a happy story on the big mat and they can all go to sleep sucking there thumbs and curling there hair,
Because they got no idea how to approach the public or do a Honest days hard work

P.S the moral of the story And what’s on everyone’s mind,
Why the hell are we talking about politics on a car club site 🤔

As I always say
Stay safe all

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"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
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This will take You to" Old Holden sheds"
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Yer heard rumours about a tax a while ago on cars over certain age limits etc makes ya wonder when Australia stops making V8s etc but it's just a excuse to bleed more money out off people that work hard for the things they always wanted when younger !
And can just afford now days ,just my 2 cents don't get me started 😂cheers

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is a joke atm with brexit etc but at least they got it right with old cars , private cars built prior to Jan 1979 are exempt from annual MOT (RWC)and exempt from road tax (rego), they still need minimum third party insurance of course , will never happen here with our cash grabbing pollies !!

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Shorten was only stating the future.
And even if Morrison gets back in, it will be just the same.
Every manufacturer that sells in Australia has said that they will have electric vehicles on offer in Australia by 2025. Even Toyota has said they will have an electric Hilux, despite what Morrison said.
All new cars won't be electric, but most manufacturers say 50% of their vehicles will be by 2025. Volkswagen have a target of 2022 for an electric variant across their entire range. Even the new 992 Porsche 911 has be designed to have electric or hybrid powertrains available in the future.
We have the electricity infrastructure to deliver the electricity to those vehicles now.
A couple of quick, very little known facts:
* we have an off peak daytime electricity period now because of the massive amount of solar power produced during the day.
* Over the last summer, rooftop solar on private houses produced more electricity than coal and gas combined.
* electricity companies have said that charging electric vehicles at night (which most electric vehicles are) will lead to reduced electricty cost due the extra revenue the companies receive from the wasted electricity that is used to charge those cars.
They are testing buses in the US that are traveling 1,000km on a single charge. Even if they only get half that in the real world, they would easily go for a day on a charge.
Tesla trucks are looking at the same range.
Four to 500km is becoming the normal range for an electric vehicle. I think that would suit any tradie in his Hilux.
An Australian company is building electric commercial vehicles now in Melbourne.
Electric vehicles are cheaper to run, simply because an electric motor is 80% energy efficient, compared to around 20% to 25% for a petrol engine.
Like it or not, electric vehicles are the future.
We will still have petrol for our old Holdens for another 50 yeas or more, so we won't be around when we can't drive them.
If we are, maybe we could do an electric conversion. They are around now, and they could be faster than our petrol motors.
David

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Old is good.

When do people charge their electric cars? At night when they are asleep I suspect. When the sun doesn’t shine. So coal it is. How much energy does it take to build an electric car? How much energy to make a battery? Food for thought.

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it's what they're not telling us that worries me, Gillard was going to tax older vehicles off the road, and I'm sure Bill Shorten will, and in the process, make our treasured older cars worth nothing.

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If your project doesn't work, look for the part you didn't think was important.

One should forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged

mckackie

Old is good is incorrect. Rooftop solar on private houses produced more than coal & gas? Sorry not sure who gave you his statistic but it’s wrong. Re the other state Massive amounts of solar produced during the day? Most regulatory authorities - allow 7-15% of solar / wind capacity to be considered despatchable due to the inconsistencies in generation. I think most of what you’ve provided is plain wrong - irrespective of an election campaign underway.

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This is from the people who run our national electricity supply.
Read this and learn: https://www.theguard...
David

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Old is good.

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"Junk is something you throw out 3 weeks before you need it"

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Thats the future right there...but how do we tax it dagnamit

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Sixty Eight

good work isn't cheap...cheap work isn't good

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We are a drop in the ocean of cars. They don't give a hoot about us, and most pollies wouldn't even know we exist. Joe Average, who drives a Camry, doesn't know or care what his car runs on, it could be nitro or chicken soup. He buys a new car every few years, and this is the person they are targeting. The more electric cars on the road = less petrol used by them = more petrol for us. When I see an all-electric car, I just think "Thanks Buddy, there's a few hundred litres more for us."

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"If your car has quarter vents, a diff at the back, and was available with wind-down windows, you may talk to me.
Otherwise I am not interested. Amen."

I'm a good boy, I save the world where I can (not trying to be a smartface). I still have 2 buckets in my shower (true story). I hate waste, I do my bit to recycle etc, I have a second (2nd hand, recycled) washing machine hooked up to tank water to water my garden, even though I'm plumbed into town water. I try to do my bit..
But I don't think I will EVER own or drive an electric car. You can't tell me that electric cars are gonna save any energy AT ALL (for the next 30 years at least) when you're using electricity to charge them.
Now, where's that Beef Jerky?

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When the technology gets better as time goes by then electric is the go.At the moment only the high end manufacturers have self charging cars.I've got a HJ one tonner that will be converted to electric just as a fun track car.

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Big block HZ 1 tonner
HQ SS
WB van
HJ coupe

We are being played big time.
look into the jet fuel hoax for instance ..and do look before deciding you know everything .. you (and me) know absolutely zip ..https://duckduckgo.c...

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"Junk is something you throw out 3 weeks before you need it"

Some interesting stuff here..but I think your petrol cars are safe for quite a while. The reason is ISO14001..its a world wide standard for sustainability in business and government procurement..and until BS adopts it and makes all government vehicles and assets ISO14001 compliant he has no standing..His old boss KRudd tried it on too and look at what happened to him...EV's are a new thing but your old holden has saved 5 - 10 new cars being built..and that is energy saving..rest easy

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Sixty Eight

good work isn't cheap...cheap work isn't good

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First brown coal (which is the highest emitter of CO2 and was what we get out of areas like Latrobe Valley ) is reducing as the Victorian stations are retired. Most other states use black coal which is higher quality and less co2 emitting. And what is being exported. .I read the rest of the article and it is no wonder you have the wrong information - just trying to provide an accurate view nothing more. Apologies to everyone else on the forum as this is not a site for political grandstanding - my response is just based on the technical facts

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First brown coal (which is the highest emitter of CO2 and was what we get out of areas like Latrobe Valley ) is reducing as the Victorian stations are retired. Most other states use black coal which is higher quality and less co2 emitting. And what is being exported. .I read the rest of the article and it is no wonder you have the wrong information - just trying to provide an accurate view nothing more. Apologies to everyone else on the forum as this is not a site for political grandstanding - my response is just based on the technical facts

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