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HT STUD PATTERN CHROMIES FOR WILLYS COUPE

I've finally decided to replace the old ROH mags on my Holden-bodied 1938 Willys Coupe. They are 14" with HT stud pattern. I'd like to go for some sort of "smoothies"
preferably with the inner painted body colour, chrome moon hubcab and chrome
outer. Alternatively I suppose I could go for all painted steel wheels with
moon cab and a dress rim or ring or whatever its called. I'm thinking 15x7"
would be the go. I have found some over here at Mr Mag but unfortunately the
bolt pattern is Chev or Ford and I've got a bad feeling about using one of
those adapter plates. An example of the style of wheels I like is at
http://www.petepauls...

Anybody at Oldholden.com have any suggestions?

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Willys? Don't Willys Coupes = 15x15's fitted with TALL Mickey Thompsons and front runners? lol
But seriously you would have to either go for major width or diameter when talking Willys wouldn't you?
I know a guy on the Willys site who has made his own coupe from a sedan and I think he has 15x15's on the rear an it looks mongrel!
I might be getting my hands on an old rodworx body next year some time so as I can chop and channel it (over a jap ute chassis?) for a mate to take moulds from after its been mongrelised so he can pop out a fresh chopped body for himself and we are thinking of trimming the huge tubs down to accommodate a more sensible 14"/15"x10" setup for the rear, getting rid of the side exhaust outlets and rear tail light mounts and fitting up a '38 front instead of the '40/'41 front.
But ramblings won't answer your questions, ok if you have the HK/G stud pattern (HT's were slightly different Im told) then you can fit up Volvo rims which Im told you can get in a style similar to commodore pursuit rims, but in either 15" or 16" diameters, so maybe the 16" with a new set of say 8"/10" bands on the rear and 6"/7" bands on the front centres with Baby Moon Caps (available from most rod accessory outlets) will give you the steelie look while updating the diameter to fill the guards?
I have ROH Reflexes on my VK Commodore wagon, 17"x8"/225x50 on the rear and 16"x8"/215x50 on the front which I will most likely fit to the glass body if I get my hands on it?
Anyways hope the Volvo rims partly answer your question without having to go the whole restud path, cheers, oinks308.

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Love to see some pics of your '38 Willys. Read the other post on the willys built from a sedan - That wouldnt be Kiwi John would it?
For your wheels HK-T-G are all the same stud pattern as is Torana as far as stud pattern go - rim diameter/width is a little different. Its true Vulva wheels will fit your Willys(???!!!)... However custom made wheels to suit your needs are not a major drama - all you have to do is get in contact with ROH and order what you want . ROH are still making new steel wheels for a variety of early Holden Patterns. I ordered and eventually received a set of 6x13 HT wheels in 13"..... which should make 'em HR wheels ...and these fit the HR disc brake front. Its weird that they list them as HT- which should be 14".... ( I ordered a set of 14x6'' HT rims as well for another project)
The point is try ROH and then find a freindy tyre store that can order them in for you. ROH wont even sell to Trade guys like me (streetneat) - it has to be through a tyre outlet...I'm sure this is ethically not right- a bit of fixed marketing going on there....
Hope this helps
Cheers streetneat

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Cheap, Fast, Good - pick two.
If its cheap and its fast - it wont be good.
If its good and its cheap - it wont be fast.
If its fast and its good - it wont be cheap.

StreetneatShed

I think its the offset on the HK that is different they rubbed on the inner panels on the rear of my EH.
If ROH don't want to talk to you they are not the only game in town

johnperth

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Hey dudes, yea that is Kiwi John/HotRod John lol, he has been sending the missus and I progressive pic's of his Willys and I have to hand it to the guy, he has done a brilliant job and best of all that will be one Willys that will NEVER be a Trailer queen!
Jeezus I wish the judges at shows would put those who turn up on trailers into a category of their own!
John is the one who inspired me that not all Willys are Rice Bubble lookin as Rods hence why if I can get my hands on the glass body I am goin to mongrelize it, but in the meantime I plan on building the 1947 Singer I have in pieces (What I do have, does anybody have any Singer parts laying around? AND no NOT Sewing machines, heard all those thank you hehe) out the back into an ALL Steel Rat Rod! Anyways I’m allergic to the dust from fiberglass lol.
I built the missus her Dream car in the old millenia and posted a website for her http://www.angelfire... (its close to 10years old now so has been trimmed to bits) where there was enough glass in it too last me a lifetime!
But getting back to the wheels, I don't know if they’re still in business but you could try Wilson’s Classic Wheels Works? 32523891
They were at Albion here in Brisvegas yonks ago when we used to make our regular trips from Ippy to Deadcliffe and the sign out front read they do everything from Harleys to Trucks and a mate I sent there once came home with a set of 15x8inch bands to suit 14inch centres so they may have somethin groovy just layin round somewhere ta suit the Willys?
And to StreetNeat I stumbled over your buildup pics of the EK and FC an mate I’m truly envious because after doing my trade in a Custom Body shop I still had to use a skim of the ol bog even if it were only nothin to a few mm's thick in places as since the mid 70's you are the 1st guy I’ve actually seen the proof of who lead wipes and I have been showing all the mates the pics of ya work and they’re all blown away!
But in regards to the HT stud pattern, I lost money on a bet back in the 70’s at the Custom shop I did my trade at over this question.
Between the Boss, his wife and the son they owned a HG GTS Monaro, HK GTS Monaro, Customised HK Panel Van and a Starsky & Hutch/GTS Striped HT Ute hehehehe, both GTS mockups, I suggested he took the rims from the Ute that had WIDE conventional tyres on it (those were the days lol) and he said the stud patterns were slightly different an if he did the wheels had a habit of rattling loose?
I argued against it so he got the tape measure out an bugger me dead the HT's stud pattern was out on all wheels by 1.5mm (From memory? After all the years of accident and alcohol damage the ol brain aint what it used to be lol)
Maybe his Ute was a one-off? But for real, because I thought he was having a go at me I measured too and he was correct! Cost me $50 in the days where cartons of XXXX had just exceeded the $10.00 mark and I was totally disgusted lol
I proved that point when I worked at a local Rod Shop here and they had a couple of HT rims and HG, the HT’s had lil slots around the centre and they were talking about fitting widened rims to the centres when I told them to crack out the tape measure, unfortunately they were all too miserable to cough up so much as a brass razoo but point proven hehe.
But yeah just do a double check over the stud pattern juuuuust in case ok? Wouldn't want my old bet coming back to bite ya on the butt mate, rims falling offa anything isn't funny!
Cheers, oinks308

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Ha, very funny comment about the HT shod Willys and Volvo rims... true just the same, they are apparently both 4.25" diameter. HQ are are 4.75 and commodore 120mm. I've been in touch with Dragway and they reckon they can cut the centres out of 4.75 smoothies and replace with 4.25 for around $130 a wheel, cheper than replacing the stub axles and doing whatever to the rear end.

The smoothies are $150 unpainted plus $50 for the hubcab and $50 for the dress ring... add painting and new tyres and I think I'm going to be in big trouble with the missus. Anyway these wheels would last me a long time because I can't see any reason to change them...ever.

I'm a bit nervous about having wheels made up on the other side of the country without being able to test fit them but I guess if I have exactly the same offset as the existing ROH mags I should be ok.

Here's a pic of the Willys with the tired old ROH mags
http://www.willyswor...

Thanks for all that food-for-thought.

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Mate checked out your Willys (hope no one else saw that?) lol
Yours is the '38 model, is that the original front?
I'm hoping to get my hands on an old RodWorx body this year at some stage where if I sucessfully chop the top for a friend I can keep the body for myself after he has made a mould to pop out a clean body for himself.
What I would like to do is fit the earlier front as I think it has tons more character then the '40'41 fronts, my opinion but seeing as you are already into real Willy's territory would you know of anyone making or selling these earlier fronts in fiberglass in Australia?
Good to see a Willys that is 100% dinky di Australian mate, nice car!
regards, Pig.

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Gidday Pig, sorry I took a while to get back to you. I don't know of any sites in Australia but you could look for the willysdownunder website there's lots of contacts and info there. I have a spare bonnet in good condition that you could use for a mould if that's a help. As long as the process doesn't damage it... I'm in Perth.

Regarding the wheels, I ended up having the old ROH mags professionally polished. I was astounded at how well they turned out, apparently the old mags (these are 30 years old) come up better than the modern ones. Mine look like chrome and the bloke even polished inside the slots and around the nuts. I reckon they look great. $420 is a bit cheaper than the $2,500 it was going to cost me for new smoothies.

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Hey mate, yeah been to the Willys Downunder site, excellent site, I emailed a fella who is advertising a '37/'38 Willy front for $300 but am still waiting for a reply.
Bugger bout ya bein in Perth mate, I am in Ipswich QLD, the mate who does the Glass work produces stuff for Rare Spares as well so knows his stuff and wouldn't have caused any damage to the bonnet, but I wouldn't be able to vouch for the Couriers if we took this any further so I will leave you with your gem before it is lost for good.
Hopefully I can get Kiwi John to pull a few strings for me for an early front when and if we take the step to chopping a glass body and pumping out some new moulds.
Glad to hear about the wheels, the older they are the better they polish up, gonna have ta post a pic of the old girl with her new feet now mate lol

Cheers, Pig (oinks308)

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oinks308

Not a great pic but hopefully you can see the shiny feet.

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Very nice mate, I see what ya mean, Shiiiiiny mate!
On your front I notice you don't have the Grille sections in the front guards either side of the Bonnet?
Which model runs these?
I have seen them where they have the slots that match the ones in the front of the bonnet, or are these fitted into the front guards by the owners for a bit of extra cooling?
I don't care what they say I think your front has loads more character than the '40/'41 fronts...
One sweet ride mate, love it!

Cheers, Pig (oinks308)

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