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Proof the Monaro bubble has burst....

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Still a lot of money compared to 10 years ago - but realistically priced to sell... You cant restore one for that money.... which is in NZD

Cheers streetneat-Andrew.

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I smell a rat, A private seller offering finance packages?

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dealer details at the bottom of the add

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Seems a fair price - although it might be a rusted clunker. Hard to tell.

The photos are not going to do the car any favours.

Fancy having a white car with a NZ white sky backdrop....looks very uninspiring. This car would look waaat better in a green field or something similar.

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Have you seen it in person Streatneat?
Why does it have seat covers on the front seats is my first thought.

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Whats wrong with Melbourne drug addicts sleeping all over the footpath trying to scab money?

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Modified is horrified

They sold in 2006 and 2007....POP

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C'mon Blissy
Those auctions are from 2006 & 2007 - hardly current values.
Bloody emu too quick
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Suss

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Geeeeez.........

Cars are commodity items.

Look, it's just like waterfront melb/syd/goldy/sunshine coast apartments.

The herd mentality takes over when the financially illiterate gain access to substantial funds, usually through slack lending practices and/or asset capital growth bubbles. Prices go up and up and up.

The clearest signal is when there is absolutely NO talk about prices subsequently softening (read "property always doubles in value every seven years" etc).

Prices subsequently soften as the cycle advances and the gullible are left holding the baby.

Human natures, being what it is, drives the owners to deny reality for a while "Bugger that mate, I paid 80 grand for this car, not going to give it away" until reality sets in.

So, when wages (particularly in the mining and energy sectors) return to a sustainable mean, the economy starts to shrink due to credit tightening and the home price falls we've seen over the last few years start to really accelerate, the party is over and asset values start really tumbling.

Europe..USA...Japan...etc etc etc etc......

NO old monaro is "worth" 100 grand....NONE, at all, ever.

I hate to say it, but once the bogans return to their traditional place of being either unemployed or scratching around for $10/hr you'll see the complete bum fall out of the bogan...sorry...muscle car market.

Laugh all you like.

It's happening right now, and will only get worse.

An old car like that is maybe worth 20-30 grand TOPS....and that is placing a high value on the labour, time and materials put into a good restoration. USA cars are at the top of that band due to there being fixed import costs that the sellers like to try and recoup.

A "person" can be quite an intelligent individual..."people" are just fscking stupid most of the time.

Now, I happen to share Streetneats position that an old monaro these days is not worth buying as they represent extremely poor value for money. I could easily afford several Monaros if I wanted them, but I don't, not at 50 grand a shot. They are simply not worth that much.

I would consider a nice 20-25k Monaro.......at the very most, and it would have to be VERY tidy for that money. So, I can wait....things are coming down......

Geeezs...$25k will land you a very sweet 67-69 Camaro... I know which one I'd rather have.

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I agree in general with what you're sauing Stan, but I have another theory to add to it. I reckon the novalty's wearing off. There's too many out there for sale. Everyday there's one or two scrolling down the side on the e-bay thingy---->. Keep an eye on it, there's always more coming thru. People have seen what other people are asking/getting and they put their's up for sale. Suddenly every man and his dog has one for sale..
Which brings the price down. Well that's my theory anyway.

Would I be happy if someone gave me one? Absolutely. I'd enjoy it for a while, then sell it and buy something else. Two or three HRs maybe..

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True.

This is a common "trailing" indicator.

As values fall people think "Wow, better sell before they go down more!".

The commodity , whatever it is (cars, apartments, tulips etc) start to flood onto the market, thus driving prices down further.

It's like a boom , but reversed.

The absolute bottom line common denominator with all boom/bust cycles is "irrational enthusiasm", a belief things are somehow 'different this time', and a denial of facts staring people in the face, until it's too late.

Values are falling because all the idiots have already been used up. The people left are either 1: too smart to buy in, or 2: Not smart enough to have access to enough money to pay the stupid prices being asked.

Either way, the potential pool of buyers for a small market means the values are highly volatile in nature.

No-one outside of OZ gives a rat's $ss about a Torana or a Monaro.......so if things go south in the economy here then you're truly screwed. If you had a decent Enzo, Shelby or 959 tucked away somewhere at least you'd have a shot selling it to some wealthy Italian or Canadian, but a Holden????????

It wasn't that long ago these cars were selling for 50,60,70,80K.......when bogans were secure in their mine contracts and willing to take out huge loans, not anymore.

If you had said in 2009-2010 that mines would be shutting down, new projects cancelled and hundreds (if not soon thousands) of mine workers would be unemployed you'd have been laughed at.

No-ones laughing now, are they ?

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Classic.

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It sounds like he almost hates Holdens!?!?!

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Nope- he like myself Stan mostly likes old Holdens- just not all the folk that go with 'em at times. To be fair that statement goes with any marque.

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Cheap, Fast, Good - pick two.
If its cheap and its fast - it wont be good.
If its good and its cheap - it wont be fast.
If its fast and its good - it wont be cheap.

StreetneatShed

Nope - there is one born every minute.

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Cheap, Fast, Good - pick two.
If its cheap and its fast - it wont be good.
If its good and its cheap - it wont be fast.
If its fast and its good - it wont be cheap.

StreetneatShed

True.

However they are not able to get huge second mortgages on sh&tty dumps in Boganville anymore, or they can't get paid silly money for unskilled, semi-skilled work.

While the set of idiots is as large as its ever been, the subset of idiots that have access to enough money to pay 80k for a fooly sikk moite Munarrooo is decreasing rapidly.

I seem to remember seeing a thread on this very forum some years ago where someone was gleefully informing us that his second mortgage had just come through and his new 80/90k Monaro was in the shed.

I wonder what flophouse he's living in now, holding an old photo album, looking at the polaroids of what once was?

I'm a bast%rd.

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;-)

Yes, you can be a harsh bast%rd sometimes Stan, but I like your sense of humour..

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I just say it like it is.

:)

Thank you kindly..

*nods to HR Ambo*

Oh, apologies for being somewhat rude, but you're an actual Ambo ?

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Aside from contraceptives, idiots also need to be protected against woeful financial decisions. The current economic market and the extreme difficulty in obtaining finance is protecting poor decision makers from themselves....and perhaps softening the prices of Aussie muscle cars.

Maybe there are 4 or 5 factors all contributing to driving the price down? Dunno....but Streetneat is spot on - the prices sure aren't what they were a few years back.

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Spot on.

Around 10 years ago, when the values of housing started to skyrocket and the competition had begun to lend money and the restrictions of foreign capital inflows were eased, everyone saw the writing on the wall.

A large percentage of the population that had, until then, never had more than 2 cents to rub together were suddenly flush.

Now, the rub was, the circumstances were effectively accidental.

These people didn't get educated, or show any great entrepreneurship or what-have-you...they just got carried along by house values, easy credit and a booming economy.

So, they were like lambs to the slaughter. The phenomenon of the "Cashed Up Bogan" was born, something that had never happened before.

The race was on to then part the bogan from its new found wealth as quickly and efficiently as possible. So, sell the bogan over inflated "investment" properties, get the bogan to take out more loans, sell the bogan shiny things that bogans like, rip off the bogans superannuation with ludicrous fee structures etc etc etc.....

And as the bogans accidentally came into this (they didn't see it coming, they didn't predict it, they just saw it happening around them) then it was like taking candy from a baby......so the lenders grew fat, the banks posted record profits, everyone inflated their prices and the governments made a killing gouging them for taxes and stamp duty and levies and so on.....

What did catch most people by surprise was the extent of this, how long it would go for. People were saying things would run out of steam in "struggle street" in the mid 2000's...but no..it kept on going...fueled by easy credit. So fast forward to 2012 and the bogan is now in trouble. Only around 2% work in mining and energy, the rest are still out there in the 'world' but the party is now rapidly coming to an end.

So yes, in one way it's easy to say 'Sucked in, you're a dumb uneducated b@stard rapidly sinking for a reason you know' BUT they were never given (or born with) the tools and abilities to steer themselves out of trouble in the first place.

So it's a chicken and egg situation.

Now, of course this doesn't describe everyone. There are plenty of people out there making good money doing trades or driving things or whatever and they are sensible and they will be ok. There are also a lot of others out there that will never be very comfortable, but they are decent, hardworking people and have good lives and their homes are filled with the laughter of children and when they die they will have hundreds at their funerals.

The problems are the cliche bogan d*ckheads, all the millions of them....beer, footy, smokes, v8's, chemicals.....tomorrow is a world away....no interest in anything except what directly affects their brain stem.....they have complete intellectual freedom as they have no intellect.

I feel sorry for their kids. What hope do they have when their role models are just fscking useless??

How many times have you seen a pic posted up, of some half dismantled car, in the yard, surrounded by sh*t and mess and weeds and filth and scruffy kids dressed in rags in the background playing in the spare parts? "Awww..moite, me foooly sikk 186 needs moar horsepowah so I'm fittin a twenny grand nitrous kit, yeah!....but it's hard as my backs crook and the missus lost her job at the faktry and winnie blues are 10 bux and beer??..don't get me started on me slab I have every day.....but the b&satrd landlorde is bootin us out coz he wants the rent munnys and I carnt afford that AND the kidz skool shoes!!.....not on top of me $2,000 in unpaid speedin and parkin fines those B&satrd coppers pinched me for thuh other day!".

I daresay HK-King would have more "in the trenches" experience along these lines than I would...although I have had times in my life when I didn't have 2 cents either and I rubbed shoulders with these people every day. A long time ago.......I had contempt for them then and I still do now.

Anyway, that's enough social commentary for one night.

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Actually, I've been in a different kind of scene most of the last three years of teaching, but especially this year*.

Only a handful of the kids I encounter are from C.U.B. households. Most have come from 'underclass' homes. A few decades ago we just had 'working class', and anybody below that very, very large mob, were so few and so hidden, that they didn't even get a label. In the ensuing years, a 2nd and 3rd generation have popped up (out), and that's the clincher: it's entrenched poverty. Generational. They can never become cashed-up because they've never had fulltime working parents (or sometimes even grandparents) to model the role of conscientious providers.

At a guess, maybe the 'underclass' became recogisable as unemployment started creeping up in the 70's, peaking in the early 90's. That was the first and second generation of potential workers lost, and their kids not educated very well. Badly, if at all, at home, and out of school ASAP.
Whilst practically none are cashed-up, there are families who haven't the first idea about money management around here, much less nutrition, dealing with challenges, self-awareness, and more besides.

Last night's Four Corners program scratched the surface of the tragedy. A sad face emoticon here simply can't convey the heaviness of what it revealed... and what I sometimes see wandering around the school.

Michael of Rosewood.

* This year I'm at a school with 55% Samoan kids. With that comes a bunch of cultural influences (both good AND bad) to do with corporal punishment, sharing resources, family support, gender equity, role modelling from popular media, etc, etc. It's a bit different to teaching Aboriginal kids and again different to white fella kids. I love teaching the Indian kids though :-D

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

A gather that lot of folk noted that house prices increased a bit when the $7000 First Homeowners Grant arrived. Then it went up a bit more when an extra $14 000 grant came along, at least in Qld I think. The latter is long gone, and the former is about to be axed. However, I think a $15 000 First Home BUILDERS grant is about to launch up here, so that could temporarily skew the price of newly built houses. Value is indeed a funny thing.

HK'ing.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

The FHG was a disgrace, a cheap (and successful) attempt to buy votes. All it did was inflate prices by similar amounts al la the GFC $900 Plasma TV "stimulus" of later years....heh

The so called "builders" grant will have no real effect as the number of people who will build a house is quite small these days due to the oversupply of existing housing. Also, the market is heading south anyway.....if housing is (by most impartial conservative estimates) some 30-40% over valued, an "extra" 2-5% isn't going to do squat.

It's like throwing a bucket of water at a bushfire.

The OZ market is due for a major correction........as opposed to a prolonged period of stagflation that even the most "realistic" RE pundits are forecasting.

It's funny how the major lenders have been falling over themselves of late reassuring the markets their books are sufficiently shielded from a large number of housing loan defaults over the next 12-18 months. It also seems that a huge number of people are staring down the barrel of mortgage defaults now anyway as they just simply can't afford the over priced housing they've all purchased in the last 5 years or so, and the banks know this.

They see the writing on the wall.

Banks are in the business of making immense profits, they're not stupid. If they are getting worried then it's game over man, game over!

We got through the GFC by sheer luck, and high commodity prices, not any amazing financial acumen. This won't be repeated. China is coming off the boil and the US is still facing its debt cliff. I don't like it but I suspect we'll be in recession by 2014.

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I don't think Australia is in as much trouble as you think. They reckon China has bottomed out Stan and will start growing again shortly...

Something else I've noticed is that most HKTG Monaro's are owned by 35-50 year olds who grew up admiring them. The mining CUB's are far more interested in bogan bling like new Maloo utes and Clubsports etc than old muscle. Avg 18-25 year old women aren't impressed with old muscle - but they love brand new bogan bling....no coincidence.

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Who's "They" ?

The Chinese economy simply cannot continue growing like crazy, it's just not possible.

Even if they do take measures to limit the reduction of annual growth figures this does not mean commodity prices will somehow magically return to 2010 levels.

The Chinese will just buy elsewhere as other supply streams from cheaper areas come online.

Why buy Oz ore at $150/tonne when they can buy from Africa at $60/tonne ?

The lights won't go out in the OZ mining sector, that's for sure........but there has to be a prolonged softening of prices and thus a downturn in wages, conditions and employment here.

I mean, come on.....paying a mouth breather $100,000 p.a to wash a truck was never going to be sustainable in the long term, it's just not feasible.

By all means make hay while the sun shines......if you're in that sector then work as much as you can and save, save, save...do NOT start hocking yourself up to the eyeballs thinking things will stay this way forever, because it won't......it can't.

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Haha....I'm not in that sector mate.

I know plenty of mouth breathers earning $100k but they aren't making it washing trucks!!

I do see lots of our mining friends on planes in my travels though and I can tell you some of the behaviour and treatment of the female cabin crew is atrocious. With some of these blokes, you give them a belly of beer and put them in a group and they turn into rock apes.

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Well, I think it was commendable for the Virgin and Qantas lounges to deny entry to flouro wearers.

I fly Virgin these days and it's a painful situation in the Lounge when there's a ruckus being caused by, you guessed it, the mine/energy bogans who get to fly around on the company dime.

I have no problems with the FIFO workers generally, but they should be outside at the gates unless they know how to behave themselves.

Disgraceful behaviour.

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Leave energy bogans out of this :P

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OOooooh.....well, for what it's worth, I too have worked in the resource and energy sectors.

Of course, it was in large buildings in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney CBD's, and I had an office, and used a computer, and wore a suit, and advised the boards and 'C" level execs. .....

But hey!....it was the same letterhead!

:)

Just a point of interest...did you know a senior consultant from one of the 'Big Four' can make over $3,000/day easy for, well, not much really? No dirt or grime or sweating involved. Of course, if you OWN a consultancy that does work for the big corporates, well, that's just chump change.

It's an outrage!

I'm all for hanging them on sight.

*wink*

I will refrain from making any further derogatory comments about our wonderful Energy sector comrades.

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I too have worked in a large building in Melbourne's CBD (in a suit too on special occasions but usually just a shirt) and Perth's CBD. Nothing fancy going on in those buildings bar the ego's of the young upstarts fresh out of university.

We could have been office buddies....except I may have been dozing whilst you were busy advising the execs ;)

Anyway, that corporate toss wasn't for me - maybe in the future, but not now.

And yep, some of those consultancy firms define unjustified.

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I'm hearing you about the grads...there is nothing more annoying than some snotty nosed MBA who won't get with the program on principle.

They usually change their mind though when they see you with their bosses boss just heading out for a bite to eat and a chat.

I haven't worked for salary for over 10 years now.....you have to do your own thing, if you can. :)

heh

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The grads can have the salary

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Stan, I finished with a mining company on Friday as the rollout was paused while we arrange for gear to be stood up at the international sites.

The policy of the group I was contracted to was that it was a fluro free zone while travelling. This was both an airline rule and a company.

The funny thing about it, was there was an article in the local paper (Townsville) about the dirty seats at the airport being caused by the miners. The paper was roundly put down by Qantas, Virgin, Alliance and the companies themselves. It was found to be a combination of kids running uncontrolled (big problem) and some members of the general public who couldn't handle themselves.

While each mine has certain similarities, I'm guessing that I was lucky to be working for a company that doesn't tolerate that level of feral behaviour.

Cheers,

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So who has contracted your IT talent now?

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No one currently - other than Blissy for the add-on graphics card that I am trying to find the cable for. So you have something in mind? Lol...

I have opted to spend the rest of the year on my own business, growing that, and training up before heading to Everest base camp in mid November.

Cheers,

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The actual Himalayas???

Whoa........

Take pics, and lots of them.

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Yep, the actual basecamp.

One of the blokes that I worked with in Melbourne, before his posting to the main Queensland site, is heading over with me, and then we will look at doing the Inca trail next year.

And don't worry - I already have a huuuge(!) list of people already wanting photos, and there will be some posted here, regardless of the offtopic police.

Cheers,

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Nice......stay safe man......don't go getting all hypothermia-rised....

That is an exceedingly cool thing to have on your CV.

No pun intended.

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The off topic police say to go via Varanasi on the $5 hotel trail +1

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You find that cable and shoot it off before you go, I believe people go missing up in them their white covered hills.

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As always the economy goes up and down, remember everyone saying "I shoulda bought a monaro when they were 5 grand ! " even though prices have come down you still can't buy a [Naughty Pottyword]ter for 5 grand so if you were smart stock up now ! They will go up again when the economy picks up and prob twice what they were this time as it will be another 10 years or so down the track. Are they worth it ? That's up to the buyer, not some wanker that reckons he can buy 10 or more yet prob drives an XF falcon and calls the owners of monaro's bogans ! I'm bogan and proud

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You sound too smart to be a bogan.
You might just be a smart dude with a good paying job who likes old muscle - nothing wrong with that.

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hahahahahhaaa.....

Ahhh....enjoy your trip to the Dole office.

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Stan, you prob drive an XF falcon with a set of $3000 wheels on it to show everyone your "cashed up" and prob cruise around by yourself in it trying to pick up girls and when that dosnt work you come home and fire up the computer to take it out on monaro owners because there wheels are not worth more than the car ! With your next dole cheque buy a blow up doll and leave this site alone, bogan and proud !

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Quite.

Do you have any idea how many other retarded, semi-literate grubby little oiks have said similar things here over the years ?

You're just an annoyance, and one of many.

Take your b*tch slapping like a man and stop sniveling.

Now off you go, your mum wants to use the computer now, there's a good lad.

Bye.

*wink*

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All comments aside a clean and straight XF will probably be worth a mint in 10 years too.
Especially if the plastic interior hasn't disintegrated.

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I had forgotten I started this thread. -its what happens when you work instead of sitting in front of the computer :-)
Anyhow the fact remains these cars ( Monaros) only fetch around 30 clicks in NZ. Now that's not because the Kiwis are dumb arses- quite the opposite - much better value lies in the American iron. Why have a Detroit wanna be Muscle car when you can have the real thing...much much cheaper!

The only reason the Monaros fetched silly money was due to wealthy ex bogans trying to relive what was once relevant to them. Nostalgia has a price - and a shelf life.

Cheers streetneat-Andrew.

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Cheap, Fast, Good - pick two.
If its cheap and its fast - it wont be good.
If its good and its cheap - it wont be fast.
If its fast and its good - it wont be cheap.

StreetneatShed

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

Monaros are fetching more than 30K on trade me NZ, prices as of todays date are; 32,40,50,35,30,44,35,65,75,59K, admittedly this is the asking price.

Monaros, and Holdens in general are more relevant to Kiwis and Aussies than American muscle cos they were built/assembled in both countries and are icons!!

Make mine a monaro (old school) any day!

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Well ya sorta answered it there Kevin - thats the asking prices not the selling prices. The selling prices are on average around 30 k and a lot less. I know this as I still get NZ folk who have just bought one or in the throes of selling one, ringing me for advice or parts as I used to restore them. I have done a few inspections for people as well here so Im more than in the loop with whats selling and for how much. In other words I dont base my statements on whats on Trademe for sale. Im in direct contact with the folk selling them. The cheapest one to privately sell recently was for 11k NZD. It was a GTS ( may not have been genuine) and in good shape with a warrant and rego. It took a while to sell. In the eyes of many Kiwis - there are better things to buy.
While some will still snap 'em up - many here are just not that interested- reflected in what they actually sell for.

Lastly - prospective Aussie buyers beware. As soon as a Kiwi sellers find you come from the land of plenty - the prices wont be so cheap.
Cheers streetneat-Andrew.

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Cheap, Fast, Good - pick two.
If its cheap and its fast - it wont be good.
If its good and its cheap - it wont be fast.
If its fast and its good - it wont be cheap.

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Mr Neat is wise.

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cars become uncool & worthless in times to come?
sometimes dont wanna admit Monaro ownership around here, even tho I had mine since the day Saintly won the Melbourne Cup!
I backed him too, LOL! but true!

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She was just a whiskey maker, but I loved her still.

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I have noticed that cars from the twenties are now very unpopular even amongst older enthusiasts (there arent many younger enthusiasts of this type of vehicle), the prices for these vehicles, whilst most were never extreme are now heading south. But even with cheap prices they are not changing hands as there is no market. Even the people who have owned them and know how to drive them are scared to take them on any decent drive that involves dealing with modern traffic. The clubs are coming to the party and scheduling runs particularly suited to these vehicles which is great.
Fortunately lots changed in the thirties, particularly the mid to late thirties and those cars are quite capable of keeping up and dealing with modern traffic.
I guess the cheap price of original 20's cars may lead to a reinvigoration of 20's original steel body hot rods.

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Gen x is a large generation and a result of a birth boom at the time. I know a guy who worked for maccas as a manager and he pointed out something very interesting. When I ( a gen x) was a kid maccas advertising was all about clowns and grimace and kiddy stuff. Then when I was a teenager they were targeting teens. Now they target 40 something's and sell coffee and low fat alternatives. Next is probably bran burgers. He indicated that they consciously had targeted gen x as they are a larger generation. My point is that at the moment the cars that guys my age remember their dads mate owining and couldn't afford when they young drivers are now worth big bucks because their larger than normal age demographic is at their statistical peak earning age (forty something). the values should be dropping about now as guys are either losing income as a result of economic conditions or have simply got it out of their system. I doubt the values will recover for some time. Personally I don't give a toss. I've got my car and I know I'll never get the money back I continue to pump into it. Could be spending my money on durries or some European status symbol that will lose me 20 grand as soon as I drive out of the showroom. Or another divorce.

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And every kid my 13 year old brings home says wow mr cool car.

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Maybe so....but do they like Macca's new Lamb Burger? :D

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The Mc add here for that product is another Mc piss take on the Mc Aussies- something the Kiwis seem to pride themselves in. :-)

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Cheap, Fast, Good - pick two.
If its cheap and its fast - it wont be good.
If its good and its cheap - it wont be fast.
If its fast and its good - it wont be cheap.

StreetneatShed

says"I'm bogan and proud"

there is a Monaro around Brisbane with Bogan on the plates ha ha

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Broadly speaking, Holden Fan, you do have a handle on who values what: it's according to what was cool when they became independent. However, your decoding effort on the 'generations' is a tad off track.

The 'Baby Boomer' generation is, by definition, THE mob that had the birthrate boom (born in the post-WW2 economic growth).
'Generation X' came AFTER the 'Baby Boomers' and, comparatively, isn't that large. (Birth rates dropped, see. Basic statistics show that there are more Gen Y, than X, and Gen Next will be slightly more again. Birthrates still haven't dropped far enough to void their potential.) That Gen X have been factored into advertising strategies comes down to 2 things: 1. They are of the age that controls most of a family's money, and 2. They've been successfully inculcated by the hype/novelty/presence of the seppo fast food marketers, since they were sprogs. (Mission accomplished - mm, mhah, mhahaha!!)

The idea of targeting just a specific generation doesn't make sense, partly because Maccas has ALWAYS targeted kids AND their parents. They just use different strategies that work in the era they find themselves in.
They couldn't exactly focus on Baby Boomers when THEY made the household purchasing decisions, because Maccas wasn't around then.
By the same measure, they also can't soley focus on 'Gen Next' either, because THEY are just kids. That group influences, but doesn't yet DOMINATE the purchasing decisions of their entire households.

HK'ing - ex Maccas, ex advertising.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

Correct.

The Boomers are the post war generation..also the generation that perpetrated the largest shift of wealth from one demographic to another in history. They took advantage of free education, low unemployment, low interest rates, low property prices and lately very lucrative superannuation and taxation regimes.

Gen X is shackled by high taxation,abolition of free universal education and resultant debts, raising kids, high house prices and having to pay for the Boomers retirement.

Gen Y came in at the beginning of the Boomer land-grab and are now also starting to suffer however they did benefit immensely from full employment and a robust economy (fuelled by private sector debt driven by rising house prices.....see Boomers above). They are effectively "mini-Boomers"

Gen Next will be screwed like Gen X...... high unemployment, high interest rates, no taxation "welfare".

And so it goes.

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Are our friends over at Au$$ie Mu$cle employing a bit of reverse psychology?

The bubble may have burst but let's try to maintain the illusion for a little longer.....

http://australianmus...

Nice car, but $85K for a six cylinder HK?

Noticed that the same car is also for sale on Car$ales for the same price, so maybe the WA vendor (sadly an ex miner perhaps?) just has unrealistic expectations of it's actual value.....

A great example of the disparity and volatility between what the vendor believes the car is worth and what the market determines to be a fair price.

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That is indeed a lovely old bus!
$85 thou is just a little (lot?) optimistic though.

It might actually be a better, quicker GTS 6 than the original spec version. However, if originality is one of the greatest determinations of market value or collectibility, than this albeit gorgeous car is bit lost...

1. M20 vs original Opel 4sp.
2. 179HP vs 186S (but then says it's stock and has single barrel carb)
3. Holley 350 vs WW2 Strom. (+ gold air-cleaner cut/modded to sit atop Holley!!)
4. Extractors (tuned length variety) vs cast iron twin headers.
5. Wheels (in pic 4) look to be 5" width vs 6" on GTS ex factory.
6. Yella Terra head...
7. Stone trays removed...?

HK'ing.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

These seem fluctuate even more than Monaro prices, from what I've seen, anyway.

Check this one out - XW 'Phase 2' (first of Cleveland engined GTs). IMHO a far superior car, on several counts, when compared to the non-factory HK GTS at a bizarre $85 000.

http://www.ebay.com....

What are people's thoughts about this car and (yet to be reached) asking price...?

HK'ing.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

Reserve's not met HK-ing.

I suspect he's looking for telephone numbers...not postcodes.

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[http://www.ebay.com....|these girls are unpopping]

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Not my thing, but I've seen that bus in the flesh and its one very nice motor car, deserving of every trophy in that photo.

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