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Right o, im a holden fan from way back but have alwaise known how lame the holden 6 is, they belong on tractors and make great boat anchors. 6 pots look real neat under the bonnet, chew less fuel than a equally worked or equally standard v8, cheeper to rego, better weight distribution, easier on the chasis and suspension weight wise, easier to work on bla bla bla wich is why iv chosen to go with one for a change.
stuff the poxy holden 6, iv swapped the 202 for a hemi 6 and am preparing to put it in. anyone else on this site done it ?

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Hemi..

It's too late now, but Dusty had plans of doing this to his Monaro. Not sure how far he'd got with it motor-wise, unfortunately he's severed all ties with oldholden...

........Tim.

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hemi

im into mopars myself, but dont kid yourself that a hemi 6 will use less fuel than a v8. if its babied it might, but any performance driving will see worse consumption than many v8's.

otherwise, i think its a great conversion. most holdens were (are) better looking than the valiants, most valiants had better engines than the holdens. best of both worlds.

im still tossing up whether i should put a 360 chrysler (stroked to 408 cubes) in my wb caprice, complete with the torqueflite of course...

BTW

seen 265's in lj torana, hg monaro so it certainly can be done.

try and paint it appropriate holden colours and add factory looking holden stickers to air cleaner and/or tappet cover to fool people just quickly glancing when you pop the bonnet lol!!

lame?

Lame is fairly harsh considering the humble Holden 6 won Bathurst in-front of Henry's finest V8's but good luck with the conversion!

Cheers,

Emu

O.H.T.C. original member!

Not to mention a hand full of

Not to mention a hand full of Hemi powered E49's.

-Brad

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mopar or no car

yeah they sure are lame, how do you recon the torries would have gone with a 265 or dare say it a 250 ford, you know they are lame emu man, and, ben, thats why I said equally worked. Drive any motor hard its gonna use juce, its all about cubes and Volumetric efficiency . I wish my 355 only burnt the same amount as a 265. ie 265 tripple webers bigt cam verses a 308 quad webers big cam, and so on, to make power you need to burn fuel.

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

They are so lame they powered

They are so lame they powered a rust bucket Torana to victory ahead all the Hemi E49's. Doesn't really make much sense dose it tyre fryer?

-Brad

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legendary holden 6 ?

perhaps reliable, not powerfull enough to break. they dont call the 265 the holey grail of 6's for nothing,
Should have remembered im talking to car club holden fans..... wonder if the e49's would have gone faster with a mighty 202 ?

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

hang arround , iv got to

hang arround , iv got to smash my head against a brick wall for a bit to get onto brhill's level

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

lol

I'm staying away from this thread.
Tyre Fryer has dragged it down to school yard bullsh!t.
Over and out. lol

Cheers,

Emu

O.H.T.C. original member!

agreed..

Thought it was gonna be an interesting read for a minute there..

typical holden fan......

typical holden fan...... defeated by facts.

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

God this thread is dumb*.

On balance, I'm a Ford fan SLIGHTLY more than I'm a Holden Fan. However, for ages, all I wanted was a VG Pacer 2 door.

Anyway, it has to be 'apples with apples'.
Compare these: the 215c.i. Chrysler donk out of a VH Val, and the Red 202c.i. from an HQ? It's far less stupid than the 'all Holden sixes with all Hemi sixes' comparison.

HK'ing.

* Sorry kids! Maybe it should be "God, the baiting assertion by tyre fryers is dumb."

'In days of old, when knights were bold, and suits were made of tin,
Old Ginger Meggs, with bandy legs, went out to fight for Min.' (Lloyd Piper)

Brown nose...

Ya might get along with him quite well.. using the bait to create a whole new bait.. well done..

Holden quality !

hands up, whos running a 9 "

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

hemi downside

Unless you just want to go fast in a straight line there is more to performance than hp !. Case in point.... Mate quite a few years back had a very potent 202 powered lc xu1 ( approx 260-280 hp ). It lapped symmons plains in a a very respectable 1 minute 3 seconds. Had the hp bug and stuck in a 330 hp hemi six. Was a terrible swap with firewall lip having to be cut and engine lowered to clear rocker cover hitting bonnet which left sump almost on the tarmac !., Result ?, a staggeringly slow 1 minute 7 seconds around symmons !. Killed the handling and overall balance of the car which is really a Torana strongpoint.Maybe better to leave the very potent and capable hemi in something like a Centura ?, although they aren't pretty.
If you are after the holy grail of straight sixes then the hemi 6 isn't it !. Try a Duggan or Sissell 12 port headed 292 cu chev six that is putting out 450 + hp .

stick this up your holy grail hemi !....

http://youtu.be/7dMX...

Cheers
JH

Duggan or Sissell 12 port headed 292

Wow 450 HP
Spend that sort of money on a 265 and compare

hemi

450 hp is the bottom end of the hp figure Einstein!. Some of the Duggan blocked and headed 292 chevs were getting between 520 to 550 hp normally aspirated!.Can't recall too many 550hp normally aspirated hemi's about?.

Cheers
JH

As with all holden

As with all holden performance answers, look to see what can be borrowed from the chevrolet parts bin.

Duggan 12 port

I bet you could probably get at least 1000 pluss horsepower from one of them duggan or 12 ported donks with it running on used engine oil for fuel. Intact it might even get like 2000 ponies if you put a chevy badge on the front..... But hang on, what sort of gearbox and diff do Holden make that could cope with that sort of power.......... Youd probably be looking for a few ford parts like a 9 inch diff and a t loader I suppose?

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

hemi

Tyre fryer, I reccomend you get one of the new effluent carbies to run on your hemi . If you connect it to your head you will have a never ending supply .

Cheers
JH

Haha

tyre fryers is very effluent, lol.

Dana diff sh!ts on a nine inch, anyday!

Growing old is unavoidable, growing up is optional ;)

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tough

aussie 4 speed box

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

FORD

If old holden members are slowly turning you into a Ford fan then maybe it's a hint!?. F for f#ck , O for off , R for ridiculous, D for d#ckhead. You are sprouting on about hemi sixes and saying you are turning to into a Ford fan !?.Too many drugs ?, make up your mind !?.

Cheers
JH

Bait?

;)

Growing old is unavoidable, growing up is optional ;)

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They all have there place

Had a VG E34 Pacer years ago, with the 245 factory 4 barrel carb, big tank, went like stink in a straight line scary, even more scary when you went to stop! MPG about 12 to the gallon so the massive tank that took up most of the boot was handy. Wish I had it now, would sell it and pay of a chunk of the mortgage or maybe a HQ Coupe....mmmmmmmm. Cheers Guys Drew

HQ Premier Sedan and Kingswood Wagon, HJ Ute, HZ Sedan, WB ute and Stato, what to work on or cruise in today?

???????????????what the fkcu

???????????????what the fkcu am i reading?the 265 is a very harsh light truck engine.

WHAT? me worry?

Hang on..... think I need to

Hang on..... think I need to spend a few more hours smashing my head against that brick wall, im still not quite down to your levels.
The June 1997 issue of Australia's Motor magazine did a comparison between Australia's greatest muscle cars from 1971 on, including the GTS-R and E49. Despite being the only six in the group, the 25 year old Valiant Charger E49 was still the fastest and marginally quicker than the GTS-R to 100 kph and through the quarter. The figures used for the E49 were based on 1972 road tests, 0-100 kph 6.1 seconds and 14.4 seconds for the quarter. The GTS-R was quoted as 0-100 kph 6.2 seconds and 14.45 for the quarter.

To add salt into GM and Ford's wounds, stock standard E49s on modern rubber have quite easily broken the 14 second barrier for the quarter. Jim Little has done a 13.8 quarter in his and another of our club cars won a production prize at a major drag meeting with a 13.9 quarter. A previous owner took my E49 to a sprint meeting and was doing 14.1 quarters on old wide oval tires, limiting the car to 5000 rpm (redline 6500) and in a howling headwind! A Ferrari owner who couldn't match those times was absolutely horrified when he discovered that the Charger had a Valiant 6 under the bonnet! An unmodified standard production Valiant 6 at that.

Dont hear any mention of a holden 6 there ?

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

So u got a charger ? Why

So u got a charger ? Why don't u go to their website and brag ? I gota monaro, worth more than your charger lol, tosser

HEY Charger !

Whos got a charger ? Id swap a monaro for one of them ! A very rare car indeed.

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

Yes I am

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one very sucsessfull fisherman.

hking's assignment

To be fair to Hking.... Iv done the home work assignment you set me, vh 215 has .6511 hp. per ci. , hq QL 202 has .6683 hp. per ci. Therefore the 202 is more powerfull than the 215 per ci. but I wont shock you with torque comparisons. Ill give you a few more, QR 253 / .73122 , e38 265 / 1.0188 , QT HQ 308 / .7792 , HQ Chev 350 / .7857 , to be fair standard bottom of the range 265 / .8679 !! Interesting hey. Oh ! almost forgot the mythical Duggan or Sissell 12 port headed 292 cu chev six with a massive 1.541 horsepower per cubic inch based on some ledgends claim of 450 horsepower. bet thats standard.

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

Hi guy,s back in the 80,s i

Hi guy,s
back in the 80,s i had a centura with a nicely worked 265 while all my freinds had 192ci holdens , thay had to go to 350 chev to beat me in the drags at oran park

Now we're torqueing.

Ta for the details 'sucsessfull (sic) fisherman' :-)
I thought the specific power outputs would be roughly the same, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Chrysler motor puts out a bit more torque. Occasionally folk crow about the incredible torque that Red 6's put out, but I've never been too amazed.
Do the Chrysler donks have a longer stroke compared to bore measurement, compared to Red 6's?I know Ford 6's are incredibly long-stroked, hence the hefty torque outputs they've always produced. (Handy, because the bodies they've often been bolted under are a bit heavier. Ditto for most Valiants).

Of course I'm focussing on factory motors in their most common applications. If we start talking about comparing one-off or unusually modified motors in modified cars, this is going to become (increasingly) an essentially random and pointless chat.

HK'ing.

'In days of old, when knights were bold, and suits were made of tin,
Old Ginger Meggs, with bandy legs, went out to fight for Min.' (Lloyd Piper)

torqueing h-king

valiant slant 6
bore: 3.4"
stroke: 4.125" (tractor engine!!) massively undersquare

hemi 6
stroke - all: 3.68
bores -
215: 3.5"
245: 3.76"
265: 3.91"

ford 250
bore 3.68"
stroke 3.91"

186
bore: 3.625
stroke 3"

202
bore 3.625"
stroke 3.25"

Talking things up.

Ta Ben - handy info :-)

Umm, can you clear this up for me though, about Chrysler's 265 and Ford's two-fiddy ....
How can 2 different 6cyl engines, sharing the same bore and stroke differ in capacity by a roughly 0.2 of a litre?

HK'ing.

'In days of old, when knights were bold, and suits were made of tin,
Old Ginger Meggs, with bandy legs, went out to fight for Min.' (Lloyd Piper)

capacity differences

C'mon hking, there is the size of the combustion chamber of the cylinder head that isn't included in bore and stroke. Obviously the 265 has bigger chambers than the 250. And it could be rounded up our down a bit too, a 263.427937582858275 cubic inch hemi just wouldn't have been as popular!!!

Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy car parts, and that makes me happy :)

hking

youre the teacher, you do the math...

pi x radius squared. times the stroke.

bore and stroke are not the SAME - the numbers may be the same but a 3.68 bore is not the same as a 3.91" bore.

you get your calculator and you'll see...

Duh...

... Just noticed bore & stroke were REVERSED to stroke and bore, for the specs of the 2 engines.
The chamber answer kinda makes sense, but did Holden distinguish between the overall capacities of engines, depending on whether they had low or high compression chamber heads?

HK'ing.

'In days of old, when knights were bold, and suits were made of tin,
Old Ginger Meggs, with bandy legs, went out to fight for Min.' (Lloyd Piper)

Got to laugh at that..... A

Got to laugh at that..... A teacher shot with a pellet of his own s#1t. I rember all the trick questions that were set in math and science that were set up just like that ! And the feeling I got when I had it pointed out to me, my simple mistake. A good lesson in analysis. Like , How much soil is there in a hole measuring one metre by one metre by one metre? or Would a steel ball travel faster through water at 25c or -5c? and, What comes next in the following sequence ?
1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11,...

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

Read more closely

The 250 and 265 do not have the same bore and stroke.. :) Attention to detail gains the desired result......

Anyhow, iv worked out that if

Anyhow, iv worked out that if need be I can remove the oil pump from inside the sump, blank off the spot it went, place a filter sandwich between the filter and the block and pump oil into the dirty side of the filter via a single stage oil pump sucking from a line into the bottom of the sump with a screen fixed inside the sump. All that should give plenty of room for a neat rear hump sump that will clear the cross member.

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

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Close to the edge.

YYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH !!!!! hook line and sinker ! You old holden car cluby blokes are the most highly strung mob of freaks Iv ever come across, with the exception of a few who know what game I play. But on a serious note Ill add a few pictures in my shead of the hemi in a tonner.... with the other pictures of the ,z gts that was soooo poxy I had to slip a gen 3 with a 6 speed manual into it just so it would make it to the shops and back, might also add a shot or two of the wb that was so weak with its gay little 308 that I had to slipped in a harrop 355 crank, big cam and carb just to make sure it would go up hill instead of just down !

one very sucsessfull fisherman.

Valiant sixes

They all used to start the same, jump in turn the key you'd get about 10 seconds of rew rew rew rew rew rew rew rew rew rew rew. Mast have dried up stocks of high torque starters when they came available.

the chamber isnt included in

the chamber isnt included in these engine size calculations,it has no effect on the swept volume which is what you work out with the bore and stroke,the chamber size is used when calculating the static compression ratio.

pi x r squared x stroke times number of cylinders.

WHAT? me worry?

Thought so.

Ta for confirming my suspicion, Dave :-)

'In days of old, when knights were bold, and suits were made of tin,
Old Ginger Meggs, with bandy legs, went out to fight for Min.' (Lloyd Piper)


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