starter motor issues...

published by weekendwarrior on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 11:55

ok my 202 has a starter motor issue which is sending me batty..
1: it sometimes starts first click. no worries at all.
2: sometimes it throws out and just clunks without engaging.
3: sometimes it just clicks and I have to tap it.
4: sometimes it just spins without engaging.
5: sometimes it will start 1st click, but if its cold and doesnt stay idling, itll just click and not start.
usually one of these things happen when theres a problem, not every symptom in the book at different times.
the starter motor is the second one in a year due to these issues, the previous one wasnt old either, so this one is only 6months old.
the extractors do sit pretty close to the solanoid, closer than a standard exhuast setup so I realise heat soak could be part of the problem.
but any ideas on how to get around this issue is appreciated
thanks
Grant

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Stater issues

Submitted by hq3O8 on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 12:01.

Assuming the starter is good it's most likely a voltage drop in the wiring and or switches. Add a relay to the starter circuit to take the load off the old wiring and switches and give the starter good clean voltage.

Cheers
David

aka hq308belmont

My Archived Shed

Starter

Submitted by kinswood on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 12:11.

Check the leads going to it wriggle them sometimes they have a break in the wire from heat ,seen a ford used to do a disco when ever it rained and wouldn't start it was a crack in the earth lead the big one ,other then that my guess is soliniod on the starter is full off dust etc.

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Battery Terminals

Submitted by T on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 15:49.

Are these clean?

I smother them in grease which prevents the problem from recurring ..

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My Shed

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battery terminals

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 16:00.

Battery is a month old

Terminals

Submitted by T on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 16:05.

Terminals clean?

My Shed

Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

yep

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 16:24.

Yeah definitely, grease muggr be an idea I don't have any of that blue protective stuff but lately with all the starter issues its worth putting anything like that on since disconnecting and reconnecting it constantly lately

Take it to an auto

Submitted by Old is good on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 16:15.

Take it to an auto electrician.
Sounds like you are spending money chasing your tail: two starters plus a battery.
A sparky will have the right gear and know how to diagnose the problem.
As David said above, a relay in the starter circuit can make a big difference.
David

Old is good.

a lot of sparkys don't give a [Naughty Pottyword]

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 16:30.

Sparkys don't seem to care about cars like mine coz often times the wires are all molested and then they charge like all crap if they fix it im going with a cheaper option atm... Plus my old battery was t holding charge so i bought a new one for that reason.

a lot of sparkys don't give a [Naughty Pottyword]

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 16:30.

reduction type starter?

Submitted by hz tonner 308 on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 16:36.

if its the original starter the new replacement will be smaller, wrap some of that heat shield wrap around the extractors where its close to the starter.

Hiding rust under body filler isn't actually repairing the car. Even harder to catch out bogmen these days as filler has metal fibres in it.

yep done that

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 16:34.

Even went got metal heat shield bent it through between extractors and starter then placed rubber backed heat shield between that and the wires so it won't short out ... No real difference

I got a smaller reduction type

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 09:03.

Yeah its the reduction type I chose it coz if (at original time of purchase) I had any dramas with it I didn't have to pull the exhaust off every time an issue happened like with an original size starter...

Battery

Submitted by T on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 23:47.

What's the CCA rating of the battery?

My Shed

Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

CCA of battery

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 17:08.

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Battery

Submitted by T on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 23:26.

Good sized battery.

My Shed

Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

yep

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 07:06.

I know I didn't skimp on the battery

Starter Test

Submitted by T on Wed, 13/03/2019 - 23:23.

Check the starter by bridging between the +ve and the solenoid connection.

If it works reliably I would consider the Ignition switch to be faulty..

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My Shed

Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

yeah I did all that too

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 13:43.

I've recognized the ignition switch as dodgy already so ive bypassed it and put in a switch so i dont go pastvwhere the red lights come on.. From that point i use a toggle switch in place of the ig ition, easy to install savesy ignition barrel etc from wear

Alternative Ignition Switch

Submitted by T on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 17:58.

An earlier poster worked a similar problem and came with this ...

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My Shed

Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

i never thought of a diode

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 19:03.

I just put a fuse in as a precaution

what is...

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 20:50.

What exactly is 'resistance ignition wire" ?

Ballast Reistor

Submitted by T on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 22:56.

Info here ...

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Wire can be bought that has so many ohms resistance per foot. Often called Resistance Wire.

My Shed

Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

oh ok

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Fri, 15/03/2019 - 09:01.

My car too young for that I think

Agree

Submitted by T on Fri, 15/03/2019 - 23:26.

VC, no ballast resistance.

My Shed

Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

yeah I did all that too

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 13:43.

new switch

Submitted by hz tonner 308 on Fri, 15/03/2019 - 15:27.

why not just replace the ignition switch it won't be that hard to find 1? you might find the dodgie join in the loom while your at it.

Hiding rust under body filler isn't actually repairing the car. Even harder to catch out bogmen these days as filler has metal fibres in it.

there's a guy on eBay use to sell cleaned up 'Reco' old ones

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Fri, 15/03/2019 - 16:19.

The price for one of these ignition switches was like $125 or something... I got a bunch from pick a part and found they were in crap condition ... I pulled apart one of them cleaned it up the rollers were a bit pitted etc the spring had lost a bit of tension, i tried to mix n match from another one i opened, seemed to get it ok, installed it, and found that adjusting it for start and accessories was a nightmare, come to think of it, i think the reason i put alternative switch in was coz I wanted acc ... It was a compromise as well as a wear saver, on the ignition key, barrel etc

No start

Submitted by hushtech on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 06:06.

Test as T has suggested, and if it works ok, then seriously consider running a new power lead direct from battery to fuse box.
Had the same problem on a HZ Tonner and the Auto Lec fixed it this way.
Another way is fit a relay to the starter so it gets full power when starting.
Just realized relay was the first suggestion from hq308.
The wiring on old cars can be a problem.

Solenoid

Submitted by VDO on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 08:12.

Sounds like the copper switch contact plates in the solenoid are flogging around and causing intermittent and varied results.

hard to get..

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 09:05.

Its hard to get good quality new parts for old cars these days

Good parts

Submitted by Triple D on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 16:23.

Yes it is hard to get good quality parts for older cars,
Most parts are made in some Asian countries ya need to find on google,

A gentleman in my car club in Cairns’s bought a full rubber kit for a EJ sedan was made in beleave it or not,
Bangladesh

"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
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Bangladesh??

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 20:31.

how did they fit up? every rare spares peice Ive bought was no good either straight from the packet or after 6 months.

Rubber kit

Submitted by Triple D on Fri, 15/03/2019 - 03:25.

Some of it was good and fit perfectly
But the the boot and back doors had to be modified

"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
trippled75@yahoo.com.au
This will take You to" Old Holden sheds"
https://web.archive....

the old starter

Submitted by hz tonner 308 on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 17:10.

pull it apart what was wrong with it ? did heat kill it or is it all right?

Hiding rust under body filler isn't actually repairing the car. Even harder to catch out bogmen these days as filler has metal fibres in it.

i tried to pull it apart

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 17:54.

The screws holding the solanoid on were done so tight maybe with thread lock or something I couldn't budge em

i tried to pull it apart

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Thu, 14/03/2019 - 17:54.

The screws holding the solanoid on were done so tight maybe with thread lock or something I couldn't budge em

thanks guys for you're help

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Sun, 17/03/2019 - 10:42.

I duuno if i managed to fix it but I put in the old starter motor and did a fixup or two on a few wires ...its been 2 days of the car starting first click every click ... But ive had that hsppen too and give it week it starts its games again... Anyway touch wood alls well now, thankyou to everyone that chipped in with advice and help, much appreciated.

Wow

Submitted by Triple D on Sun, 17/03/2019 - 11:39.

Wow
Someone said thank you
There are some good people on here to help a fellow members out in ther time of needs

Fingers cross it’s sorted out mate

"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
trippled75@yahoo.com.au
This will take You to" Old Holden sheds"
https://web.archive....

maybe now..

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Mon, 18/03/2019 - 15:08.

Maybe now the sad face icon that is on my browser tab might turn that sadface into a happyface lol

i had scare yesterday lol went to start the car and it...

Submitted by weekendwarrior on Tue, 19/03/2019 - 07:30.

Turned over then stopped with nothing at all... Turned out my bit of rubber backed heat shield I put in temporaily till i can get something proper melted and the aluminium front of it touched power and shorted out the fuse i put in lol thank god .. Easy fix and all is well

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