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starter motor issues...

ok my 202 has a starter motor issue which is sending me batty..
1: it sometimes starts first click. no worries at all.
2: sometimes it throws out and just clunks without engaging.
3: sometimes it just clicks and I have to tap it.
4: sometimes it just spins without engaging.
5: sometimes it will start 1st click, but if its cold and doesnt stay idling, itll just click and not start.
usually one of these things happen when theres a problem, not every symptom in the book at different times.
the starter motor is the second one in a year due to these issues, the previous one wasnt old either, so this one is only 6months old.
the extractors do sit pretty close to the solanoid, closer than a standard exhuast setup so I realise heat soak could be part of the problem.
but any ideas on how to get around this issue is appreciated
thanks
Grant

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Assuming the starter is good it's most likely a voltage drop in the wiring and or switches. Add a relay to the starter circuit to take the load off the old wiring and switches and give the starter good clean voltage.

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Cheers
David

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Check the leads going to it wriggle them sometimes they have a break in the wire from heat ,seen a ford used to do a disco when ever it rained and wouldn't start it was a crack in the earth lead the big one ,other then that my guess is soliniod on the starter is full off dust etc.

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Are these clean?

I smother them in grease which prevents the problem from recurring ..

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T

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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

Battery is a month old

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Terminals clean?

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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

Yeah definitely, grease muggr be an idea I don't have any of that blue protective stuff but lately with all the starter issues its worth putting anything like that on since disconnecting and reconnecting it constantly lately

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Take it to an auto electrician.
Sounds like you are spending money chasing your tail: two starters plus a battery.
A sparky will have the right gear and know how to diagnose the problem.
As David said above, a relay in the starter circuit can make a big difference.
David

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Old is good.

Sparkys don't seem to care about cars like mine coz often times the wires are all molested and then they charge like all crap if they fix it im going with a cheaper option atm... Plus my old battery was t holding charge so i bought a new one for that reason.

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Sparkys don't seem to care about cars like mine coz often times the wires are all molested and then they charge like all crap if they fix it im going with a cheaper option atm... Plus my old battery was t holding charge so i bought a new one for that reason.

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if its the original starter the new replacement will be smaller, wrap some of that heat shield wrap around the extractors where its close to the starter.

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I had to give up trying to hot up the old holden 6 after I drove mums Avalon.

Even went got metal heat shield bent it through between extractors and starter then placed rubber backed heat shield between that and the wires so it won't short out ... No real difference

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Yeah its the reduction type I chose it coz if (at original time of purchase) I had any dramas with it I didn't have to pull the exhaust off every time an issue happened like with an original size starter...

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What's the CCA rating of the battery?

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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

See images

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Good sized battery.

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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

I know I didn't skimp on the battery

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Check the starter by bridging between the +ve and the solenoid connection.

If it works reliably I would consider the Ignition switch to be faulty..

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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

I've recognized the ignition switch as dodgy already so ive bypassed it and put in a switch so i dont go pastvwhere the red lights come on.. From that point i use a toggle switch in place of the ig ition, easy to install savesy ignition barrel etc from wear

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An earlier poster worked a similar problem and came with this ...

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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

I just put a fuse in as a precaution

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What exactly is 'resistance ignition wire" ?

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Info here ...

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Wire can be bought that has so many ohms resistance per foot. Often called Resistance Wire.

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Holdenpaedia, they're the brakes Mate.

My car too young for that I think

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VC, no ballast resistance.

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I've recognized the ignition switch as dodgy already so ive bypassed it and put in a switch so i dont go pastvwhere the red lights come on.. From that point i use a toggle switch in place of the ig ition, easy to install savesy ignition barrel etc from wear

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why not just replace the ignition switch it won't be that hard to find 1? you might find the dodgie join in the loom while your at it.

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I had to give up trying to hot up the old holden 6 after I drove mums Avalon.

The price for one of these ignition switches was like $125 or something... I got a bunch from pick a part and found they were in crap condition ... I pulled apart one of them cleaned it up the rollers were a bit pitted etc the spring had lost a bit of tension, i tried to mix n match from another one i opened, seemed to get it ok, installed it, and found that adjusting it for start and accessories was a nightmare, come to think of it, i think the reason i put alternative switch in was coz I wanted acc ... It was a compromise as well as a wear saver, on the ignition key, barrel etc

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Test as T has suggested, and if it works ok, then seriously consider running a new power lead direct from battery to fuse box.
Had the same problem on a HZ Tonner and the Auto Lec fixed it this way.
Another way is fit a relay to the starter so it gets full power when starting.
Just realized relay was the first suggestion from hq308.
The wiring on old cars can be a problem.

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Sounds like the copper switch contact plates in the solenoid are flogging around and causing intermittent and varied results.

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Its hard to get good quality new parts for old cars these days

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Yes it is hard to get good quality parts for older cars,
Most parts are made in some Asian countries ya need to find on google,

A gentleman in my car club in Cairnsโ€™s bought a full rubber kit for a EJ sedan was made in beleave it or not,
Bangladesh

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"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
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how did they fit up? every rare spares peice Ive bought was no good either straight from the packet or after 6 months.

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Some of it was good and fit perfectly
But the the boot and back doors had to be modified

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"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
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pull it apart what was wrong with it ? did heat kill it or is it all right?

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I had to give up trying to hot up the old holden 6 after I drove mums Avalon.

The screws holding the solanoid on were done so tight maybe with thread lock or something I couldn't budge em

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The screws holding the solanoid on were done so tight maybe with thread lock or something I couldn't budge em

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I duuno if i managed to fix it but I put in the old starter motor and did a fixup or two on a few wires ...its been 2 days of the car starting first click every click ... But ive had that hsppen too and give it week it starts its games again... Anyway touch wood alls well now, thankyou to everyone that chipped in with advice and help, much appreciated.

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Wow
Someone said thank you
There are some good people on here to help a fellow members out in ther time of needs

Fingers cross itโ€™s sorted out mate

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"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
trippled75@yahoo.com.au
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Maybe now the sad face icon that is on my browser tab might turn that sadface into a happyface lol

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Turned over then stopped with nothing at all... Turned out my bit of rubber backed heat shield I put in temporaily till i can get something proper melted and the aluminium front of it touched power and shorted out the fuse i put in lol thank god .. Easy fix and all is well

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