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enamel paint or not!!!

Hi there,
Can anyone tell me if the original Paint on my HZ ute is enamel paint or not, it's Palais White and all original and not pretty. Been told I can't spray acrylic over enamel.
Thanks for any hints.
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This is one for triple D. I thought it was the other way around. Enamel or 2 pac over acrylic is a no no. But I am not a painter.

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Thanks Quick,arrrrrr

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if it is actually original paint but in the last 40 years who would know what has been done.

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True That!!! thanks

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if its original its acrylic and you can buy an 'isolator' product if you want to go 2pack over it but its better to paint strip it away altogether or just respray in acryilc. a good test to do is to find somewhere on the car to just break through the topcoat and spray a bit of supercheap auto aerosol primer over the broken paint and see if it fries up... if its acrylic it will react. acrylic cures softer than 2k paint and the solvents from 2k will just chew into it and make it react badly if not straight away then eventually. I have managed to spray 2k over acrylic but I didnt break through the surface of the clear coat when I scuffed it with grey scotchbrite... but I dunno how long the paint will last like that lol

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Thanks so much for your tips.
might give it all up and turn to Craft with the mrs.
Ok - Nar!!!

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I'm an Industrial Spray painter/ Sandblaster.
My Job Title is "Corrosion Inspector"
lot of people prefer 2 pack,
I redid my HJ Prem in 2 pack in 98 with clear over base, colour wet and dry and buff. Then I put a GOOD paint protective over it about 3-4 times,
I used a small Sand Blaster and took my car back to bear steel.
That was 20 years ago now and it still looks as good as it did back then to me,

My advice is to spend the time and do it once, properly and don’t mix and match paint you will regret it in the long run, paint stripper is messy but it does the job,
Acrylic is Old school paint done right looks cool on an old car, don't get me wrong,
But 1, trying to find someone to do it, Not a lot of people out there want to paint with Acrylic and enamel paints any more,let alone know HOW to do it properly
MY self Id go and do a car in 2pack any day, it drys faster and quicker, looks like a thicker paint and done right looks fantastic

Remember, its your car, your money, and you only want to spend it and do it once !

As I always say,
Stay safe all

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"just my 2cents worth"

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My paint job is 28-30 years old. And has a few scars to prove it, but it still looks good. Not as shiny as 2k but they didn't paint them in 2k in the 60's. I wanted it painted in acrylic because that's what they came out in.

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earlier this year I scraped the rear guard of my HR which is acrylic. When I looked around for a repairer to touch it up they all wanted nothing to do with it. Saying they only use 2 pack and wouldn't be able to blend and match properly. In the end I went to a paint supplier who was happy to mix up acrylic and gave the name of some painters who were happy to still paint in acrylic. On an early model acrylic looks good and authentic but it seems there is less people willing or able to use it. Strange.

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Andrew

Im doing a spraypainting apprenticeship and pretty much all of it is 2k and water based (waterbourbne) paints these days, acrylic is not even taught, the only reason I know about TPA is coz I had to deal with it frying up on my commodore vc when I had to respray parts of it, baptism by fire geez.. but not so strange no panelshops would touch it

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fair enough I guess it's now becoming "obsolete technology"..lots of other materials and techniques within broader industry going the same way...new ways of doing things...the guy that repaired my car was similar vintage to me - early 50s..and had plenty of experience with it...

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Andrew

its for epa... waterbourne has sweet fck all iso's in it and reduces the bad emissions... but its all still in the primer and the clearcoat so its not perfected yet.

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wow ive have heard of "water base paint" being used now in the Auto panel industry, at first I thort someone was having a go at me lol
Rang a Good mate of mine Back home in Cairns (im at work again in the NT) and he laugh at me and said YES its true there looking into it.
I guess cleaning a spray gun and hoses would be easier and faster.
Would be interesting to see it applied and the prep work that has to be done ? and how to match it up and blend it in ? and how many shades lighter it drys at ?
One day 2 pack will be a thing of the past to I guess lol
There's a couple of blokes out hear that are in the panel industry and they even said they have never used Acrylic or Enamel paint, I myself have never used Acrylic, but I have sprayed Enamel back in the the day on a helicopter rotor, now a days there powdercoated

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"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
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you need to do spray outs on a metal spray out card to obtain proper colour match, make sure it dries 100 percent and spray at the same psi as you would on panel application, as wet waterbourne paint is never accurate, it dries different either darker (usually) or lighter or greener or whatever (u get the drift) and clear out the card too... prep work ... well we use 400 or 500grit for where colour blending is needed but 800 for the clear out of the rest of the panel, which is recommended for better finish, on application you need to air blow the waterbourne colour dry to help spread the molecules around and do a final low pressure 'control coat' or 'dust coat to get good coverage, and air blow it dry prior to clearing. u might need three coats of base for coverage even 4 if its a silver/mettalic/micre /pearl just to try to minimise motteling

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and dont use water base over acrylic it dries too hard and not good over time.

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Oh ok so what psi is it being used then? In it a low or higher then 2pack on a car panel?

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"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
trippled75@yahoo.com.au
This will take You to" Old Holden sheds"
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every painter operates different but me, I uswually apply the first two coats at around 2.5 psi the control coal knock it down to 1 psi or less but thats a guess if you dont have A GUAGE ON THE GUN TO TELL YOU where the pressure is sitting. its probably similar to solvent based really ... I like to do a control coat with solvent as well... only thing you cant do with waterbourne is tint the clear coat a drop of it like can with solvent.. a little cheating doing that but it helps with coverage.

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Thanks so much for all the 2cents worth from everyone. I'm really starting to consider a full resto now, I guess you only get out what you only put in!!! Thanks again fellas you've really helped.
Tone

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