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Kingswood being advertised as Monaro

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What would you do ?

There is currently a HQ 4 door Kingswood being auctioned online by a private seller as a HQ Monaro. The seller has pics of the ID and VIN tags. When I interpreted the tags, which I do a lot as I already own some Aussie classics, it comes up as a 308 Kingswood and not a genuine factory Monaro.

My Questions is > Do I contact the seller and tell him and be shot down in flames ? Or do I let this go ? I have worked around these cars in my earlier years and can spot fakes, but as the bidding is now up around the 30 k mark with several bidders, it shows me that not all know how to read tags and consequently buy non genuine cars.

What should I do ? What would you do ?

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$30K for a Q 4 door in good condition is well with in the scope these days mate, I am looking at a wagon it is over $27K.

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Cheers, Lindsay.

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HQ GTS sedan tags read as V8 Kingswood sedan but have special trim, have you checked the trim?

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I thought the 4 door monaros were only HZ and HX ?

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As mentioned above, the 4 door GTS were V8 Kingswood,
The HQ SS were V8 Belmont’s and Kingswood’s.
Both had special paint and trim coding
The HQ SS was the first 4 doors to see how the public would react, being a sell out thy did a second release, The came the HQ GTS 4 door, Peter Brock was advertising them for sales. But I don’t think he ever race one? ?
GTS 4 doors went from HQ - HZ
The HQ and HZ had GTS badges and the HJ had Decals for GTS amd the HX had painted GTS and was the last model to have Monaro badge.
There was no sign of a Monaro badge for th HZ this being te end of the Monaro

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"just my 2cents worth"

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I always thought the name “Monaro” refered to only a 2 door coupe, No it doesn’t, my cousin had a HQ 4 door, yellow and black 253 4 speed, that had GTS badges near the fluts in the gards and “Monaro” badges in the front of the gards. The boot lid had a GTS badge on the right side and the V8 badge on the other side only.
In the HK-HG series you could have a 2 door Base model Monaro, was basically a Belmont 161 3 on the tree. They were badge Monaro

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"just my 2cents worth"

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These Base Model Monaro were a Kingswood. There is no such thing as a "Belmont coupe".

Standard drive line in HK Kingswood is 161 crash box drum brakes, only Premier and higher came with 186 and larger engine as standard.

Monaro LS was Premier coupe.

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according to ALL my books. and im at home for another week before i fly back to work.
The Hk base Monaro with all its running gear and brakes and suspension, 161, 3 on the tree drum brakes all round,
THE HT and HG had the 186, 3 on the tree drum brakes all round And was a Kingswood base
The Premier did come with a 186
BUT the HK-HG didn't have a 2 door premier
The LS Monaro was a 2 door Premier, HQ-HJ only and came with a 202 auto as standard, only a Handful of HQ LS were option with the 350 chev and the TH400,
The HJ had the 308 TH400 as the bigger option,
of course meany came with the 253 and trimatic in the HQ and HJ.
The HQ-HJ had the badge "LS Monaro"
The HK-HG base model had the badge "Monaro"

45 years of Holden
by Terry Bebbington and Michel A Malik

Feel free to buy the book and read it,
I did

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"just my 2cents worth"

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Just a couple of points here.

HK to HG Kingswood have 161 as standard engine, HQ Kingswod has 173 as standard engine.

Check the power train combination in the HT Monaro sales brochure, link here, states 161 as standard.

http://www.oldcarbro...

Here is the HT sedan brochure, it has 161 as standard on Kingswood.

https://picclick.co....

HK to HQ base model Monaro have model number 80337/80437. HK to HQ Kingswood sedan have model number 80369/80469 and HK to HQ Kingswood wagon have model number 80335/80435, and Kingswood ute HK to HQ is 80380/80480. All start 803/804, Belmont start 801/802.

No Monaro coupe can be a Belmont as Belmont does not get chrome around the side windows, coupes need chrome on door tops to cover seal and on rear quarter top to make gutter.

Monaro LS is badged Monaro LS not LS Monaro and is HQ to HJ only, standard with 202 as that is standard engine for Premier.

Just going through Terry's book and he does not list the standard drive line for each model but does confirm my notes above on model numbers (HK does not come in 804 though as HK do not designate V8s).

Another book that confirms my version is the Monaro story, but I would not buy that one, but you can down load it as a searchable PDF.

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Well done you learnt to read and do a history lesson in 5 days!
Pity you fail
So i typed LS Monaro instead of Monaro LS ?????????

GEE grade 7 must of been the best 3 years of your life !!!

THERE are to meany people that are "holden fan" put ya name to YOUR post so the WRONG holden fan doesn't get blamed for your post
muppet

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"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
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Response was that day admin delay.

I might not be that smart but at least I put up factual information in my posts.

I hope this promps you to take a history lesson.

same HoldenFan 14/9/18

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Made one comment about the Base model Monaro not being a Belmont and you have gone off your tit.

You call me a muppet, which is typical of those who are wrong and just cannot accept it.

My name is Dave and will sign the bottom of the rest of my posts with my legal name, so you know who I am, not some BS internet handle.

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Thanks Dave, now we know who you are !
That's all we asked for in the first place ?

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"just my 2cents worth"

"were going to need a bigger shed"
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Check out these wallies.

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Could that be a repossession seizure and the bloke doesn't want them to take his truck?
david

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Old is good.

Pity the 4*4 didn't have a front diff locker.

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The root cause was greed

I think you have a few things around the wrong way here. All my brochures say HT/G Kingswood is 161 standard and HQ to HJ are badged Monaro LS for Premier coupe.

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Mind blower .. https://www.facebook...

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"Junk is something you throw out 3 weeks before you need it"

Monaro LS badge, not LS Monaro badge

https://www.ebay.com...

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