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Vin: 8N69RCH2671290
Model:HQ80469
Body Number:32644B
Trim:1816 30X
Paint: 568 12692
Trans:M40
Axle:GV3
Year built? 2/73
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get the engine number and compare it against the on line ref sources that show engine prefixes against models and capacities...eyeball the engine yourself...ask the owner...look at the documented history..How much? how long is a piece of string? It's going to be influenced by condition and that can't be determined by a bunch of numbers and codes...so more info is required...HQ Kingswood, sedan, trimatic 2.78 diff...the R after 69 indicates a 253 engine..originally fitted...the unique car price guide currently lists a HQ Kingswood ranging from $1800 to $9500 Condition 3 to Condition 1 - these values appear quite a bit lower than what people are advertising..here is a 6 for around $9K as a ref point...a V8 in similar conditioner will be a bit more.....https://www.tradeuni...

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Andrew

30x trim makes it a Monaro Gts 4 from memory

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The car is a HQ GTS not a Kingswood as stated above. It is a factory 253 trimatic car.

Value of car will depend on condition, but a fully restored HQ GTS sedan with 253 and auto will be around the $15 to 25k depending on colour etc.

This one is Tangerine in colour and probably has Lone O'ranger stripes, a very popular combination with the straight black vinyl trim. SO I would say about $23k for this one.

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according to this for a HQ-WB (1st October 1972) VIN
(B)
Luxury Code
(on some plants the "w" was left off the plate)
WM: Belmont
WN: Kingswood
WP: Premier and LS Monaro
WS: Statesman Deville
WT:Statesman Caprice
WQ: Monaro

would suggest the N would be Q if GTS sedan ?

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Andrew

You are right, but a HQ GTS sedan was an option pack in HQ, like vacationer. It was an option pack on Kingswood V8. The way to identify a HQ GTS sedan is by the trim code. Kingswood trim codes are EFGH and GTS are WXYZ. As this has trim code 30X it is a Kingswood sedan with GTS sedan option pack, making it a HQ GTS sedan. The same is for the HQ SS, normal HQ Belmonts have trim code A or B while HQ SS have C or D.

Some option packs are easily identified this way, or they have special colours, engines etc. But the vast majority, like Vacationer, Delux, early XU1, Early Brabham etc cannot be identified.

You are also right with the N, however Holden used the N for the first few months of production, and as this car is a 2/73, pre release build, it has the N instead of Q. Interestinly the HQ GTS sedan is the only time an optionpack gets the VIN luxury level, Even VL Calais wagon do not get this.

Grabbing stuff straight off the internet is always dangerous, as much of the stuff on the net is wrong.

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yes thanks some good info...as outlined below seems this Q has been asked and answered previously...interestingly the list above was from a a Monaro site re identification..but one of the other posters here has the same list but with the asterix's and the points you have made...my understanding is that some Sandman's are even more difficult to identify..in some cases you can only tell if you have the original purchase invoice..

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Brisbane built cars, after 1973, mostly have the option pack code on the id plate. So in the case of a Sandman XX7 or XU3 is on the far right hand side of the top line. But as I said mostly, have found a lot of Brisbane cars without it as well, which then gets people thinking they are not what they are being presented as.

Adelaide built Sandman give no 100% identification but have a set of rules that help, such as factory buckets (2seater) with centre console mounts (Belmonts do not get a console when 4 speed ordered and could not be ordered with T bar), wieghts are different because of wheels and tyres, metallic paint often points to Sandman etc.

This problem with option packs goes right through to the 80s, with many a car not being able to be fully identified from the tags. GM having option package vehicles does make it hard.

As you say the info above is off a Monaro identification web site, that used Fiv Antoniou's book, which is wrong. Many other sites use Spotlight on Monaro by Peda Davis as their reference which is also wrong. The people that put these sites together have all the best of intentions, but unfortunately the same "[Naughty Pottyword]" information just keeps getting circulated, and then gets used as the reference and the truth is criticised. Have found the same on many Ford sites.

There are some good books out there for identification of Holdns, Norm Darwin's books on Torana and Monaro, the defunct Monaro Story/fact and Holden's black book (although the black book has a few more errors than you would have expected).

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Also on the above list, the W goes on the body identification plate from HJ to WB, and the VIN never gets the W, so what is in brackets is also wrong. But you get that.

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Early GTS 4's were Kingswood 8N69 with option code
XV4 GTS and XW8 GTS 350 from July 71 to Sept 72.
Then changed to 8Q69 from Oct 72 on.

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but this car is Feb 73 and its 8N not 8Q...?

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Andrew

introduced in Oct 1972 and if car is Feb 1973 I reckon it falls in the early category , see note at end of model code list :-
Section Two - Series Designation - The second, third
and forth digits:
M69 = Belmont sedan (HQ)*
N37 = Monaro Coupe (HQ)
N69 = Kingswood (HQ)**
P37 = Monaro LS Coupe (HQ, HJ)
Q37 = Monaro GTS (HQ, HJ)
Q37 = LE Coupe (HX)
Q69 = Monaro GTS 4 door (HQ)
Q69 = Monaro GTS Sedan (HJ, HX, HZ)
*Note: The HQ SS was derived from the Belmont sedan.
Only the paint code can verify if the vehicle is a V8 Belmont
sedan or an SS, as the SS was originally available with
three exclusive colours.
**Note: Early Monaro GTS 4 door vehicles feature the
Kingswood designation (N69

Cheers

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The last part of the trim number **X or W,Y and Z were GTS only.

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yes this OH thread suggests the same..trim code being the way to identify rather than VIN...http://oldholden.com...

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Andrew

Whoops, the vin on all models changed on 1st Oct 72 but l forgot that the GTS 4 wasn't released till March 73 ( possible Feb )

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