Hey mate thanks for your reply. I’ve looked through there a couple of times and can’t find it. Unless I’m blind. I can’t imagine they offered a custom paint option would they?

paint

Submitted by Holden Owner on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 01:13.

look around under the pinch weld on the doors ,boot etc most times there will be a trace of over spray of the original colour or if they didn't remove it to paint the old colour will be under it or somewhere else

HTskids

Submitted by 68surfwagon on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 09:29.

You may have to ring a Holden Dealer like I did to see if the Paint Code Number has changed on there computer to an updated code.I know mine did, my wagon is Grecian White the code changed from 585-9562 to 1J016/9562,try that and see how ya go mate!...

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Paint

Submitted by HTskids on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 09:30.

I think it’s been painted in the past as a person remembers the car being silver in the past although I can’t find any silver on the car. It was painted as a bare shell, possibly sand blasted. I did find a bit of bronze/brown paint on a bolt on panel so I can’t confirm it’s original to the car. I’ll look around a bit further to see if I can find anything else. Thanks

new Paint

Submitted by Triple D on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 14:45.

If you take your paint code to a spray painter or a paint suppler he will be able to tell you if its the right code on his system. All paint codes now have colour charts on panel shop and paint suppler system.
Im an Grit/Sand Blaster and Industry painter on a gas pipeline, We have this for our paint code to match.
There may be an app on line that does this ? Im not sure,
MAYBE some one like REPCO or Auto Barn who mix auto spray can touch up paint should have the system ?

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previous info

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 17:50.

here http://oldholden.com... were you able to check black book or provide the trim code as one poster requested? can you take a photo and post a pic of the plate?

Andrew

Paint code

Submitted by holdenfan (not verified) on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 18:20.

Yes post the trim code line this may help.

Black book paint code

Submitted by gtb069 on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 19:54.

The Black book has no corresponding code...

Try posting the trim code as suggested.

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New paint

Submitted by HTskids on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 20:07.

Thanks for all the info. Next time I go down to work on the car I’ll get the trim code. I’ll also try a paint supplier. It’s been off the road for such a long time with the last 3 owners i haven’t been able to get too many reliable answers from the guy I bought it from. He knew nothing about cars, just liked the HT so he’s been no help as far as the cars history goes. I’m trying to get hold of the previous owners too.

Silly Q

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 20:12.

but it's not 10927 instead of 10972 is it?

Andrew

Black book paint code

Submitted by HTskids on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 20:10.

If anyone is interested in selling a holdens black book I could be interested. I’ve looked around and they seem to be out of print.

Holden black book

Submitted by gtb069 on Tue, 17/04/2018 - 03:12.

HTskids,

Try contacting http://www.justholde...

They had some stock of the Holden Black Book remaining when I was there around Christmas (Dec 2017)

Black Book

Submitted by holdenfan (not verified) on Tue, 17/04/2018 - 17:35.

Its out of print and no one has any in stock, Just Holdens are taking deposits and the supplier is taking expressions of interest.

Holden black book

Submitted by HTskids on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 09:47.

Thanks for the tip. I just called them and they ran out of stock at Christmas time. I emailed the guy(Warren?) who published the book and he can’t give an answer as to if or when it’ll be available.

Trim code

Submitted by HTskids on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 20:13.

Ok I found the piece of paper with the trim code on it. It’s 1181-10M.

Really appreciate the help guys.

10972

Submitted by HTskids on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 20:17.

Definitely 10972. I’ve checked it at least 5 times as I thought the same haha. The plate is original and unaltered. Rivets are as old as the plate and looks like it was left on when the car was painted.

1181 corresponds to Egyptian

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Tue, 17/04/2018 - 02:47.

1181 corresponds to Egyptian Bronze on an OH thread? and 10M is Black Brocade for seats and door cards...https://www.tradeuni...

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Andrew

10972

Submitted by HTskids on Mon, 16/04/2018 - 20:20.

How were the plates made? Was it a fairly manual process? For instance someone loaded the stamp with the last numbers back to front? Perhaps the operator had a big Sunday and it’s a Monday car.........

Brougham paint

Submitted by holdenfan (not verified) on Tue, 17/04/2018 - 17:42.

I agree with dirdsme, 1181 is the internal Holden code for Egyptian Gold, paint code 11906.

Now if it was 1180, 1182 or 1186 it would be a colour that did not make it into production.

The machine is like a typewriter so I am not sure how they have it so wrong.

So the next step is to find is the 1181 wrong, need the rest of the numbers now.

Can you post a pic of the tag or at least put the other numbers up.

Brougham paint

Submitted by HTskids on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 09:50.

1181 is correct. I’ve double checked. 1181-10M

Paint Codes

Submitted by Ashley186 on Tue, 17/04/2018 - 10:54.

Ive had a look through my collection, and I cant find this code. I would say that it could be that it was a special order colour. I have pictures of LOTS of special order colours, but I havent catalogied the codes on the images yet.

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Special order colour

Submitted by HTskids on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 11:58.

Do you have a special order colour that’s grey by any chance? Or maybe silver?

Paint codes

Submitted by HTskids on Wed, 18/04/2018 - 16:21.

I’ll try looking for a colour on the car again. Thanks for helping out. It’s a bit of a mystery.

It was a Sydney built car H5. First registered in February 1970 so I’m guessing it’s a 1969 which would line up if it was Egyptian bronze as I think that was 1969 only?

What other numbers are you after?

Mystery colour

Submitted by holdenfan (not verified) on Wed, 18/04/2018 - 17:21.

Also the VIN and chassis number would be helpfull.

It might also be on a HK tag
Model
trim
paint
insert
top

don't worry about year...the

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Wed, 18/04/2018 - 18:42.

don't worry about year...the colour was probably avail for HKTG range eg my 81 WB is in a 77 Colour called La Plata Silver...maybe try and get a vehicle report from Holden Historical services...it should include colour..a tell tale though is the bronze you have found...

Andrew

don't worry about year...the

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Wed, 18/04/2018 - 18:42.

Andrew

don't worry about year...the

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Wed, 18/04/2018 - 18:42.

Andrew

paint code

Submitted by Triple D on Wed, 18/04/2018 - 20:56.

My 1975 HJ Prem is called "Casino Blue" but the paint was for 1974 ?
in the 75 year there's no listing for Casino Blue lol
https://www.uniqueca...

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Paint codes

Submitted by HTskids on Wed, 18/04/2018 - 16:26.

I tried an online paint site and they didn’t have any listing for 10972 either. Will try a holden dealer tomorrow if I get time.

The plot thickens

Submitted by HTskids on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 09:56.

I’ve contacted a few paint suppliers and a Holden dealer here in Auckland NZ
(Yes i’m A sheep shagger). Paint suppliers didn’t have a listing but Holden had the paint colour in 1970 as grey. Is there a chance this is a govt or diplomatic car? Or some sort of special order?

any other options like air

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 10:25.

any other options like air con, electric windows, bucket seats...these may support something special order...as many Broughams didn't have these...possibly a company car...

Andrew

Options

Submitted by HTskids on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 11:10.

It has electric windows, bucket seats with a small centre console, no fold down arm rest. No air con but it has an engine swap to a newer QT code 308. Think that’s an HQ-HJ engine? The heater box is still there.

Had a vinyl roof. Has a banjo diff if that makes a difference.

Another odd thing about it is it has holes for an aerial on the drivers side A pillar, possibly an aftermarket aerial or CB radio? Someone put fibreglass guards on so can’t say if it also had an aerial on there too.

HTskids

Submitted by Triple D on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 12:02.

Kia ora Bro
It may have been a Government car ? with the areal on the drivers side ????? police car maybe ?
ID try and chase back the rego if you can vith the VIN number or the chassis number for some History if you can. have a look at this sight if it helps mate.
http://www.gregwapli...
or this one
https://www.uniqueca...

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Primer colour

Submitted by HTskids on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 15:02.

Did these cars get painted a pinkish red primer? I suppose it depends on the top coat colour. Inside on the roof skin it’s mainly that colour but on the b pillar there’s some gold overspray. It’s starting to look like it might be gold. There’s some on the inside where the door skin should be I managed to track down the previous owner today and he said it might’ve been gold and a government car. So was it sent here in grey primer, painted govt gold when it got here???

hmmm interesting ....sounds

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 16:32.

hmmm interesting ....sounds like it's gravitating back to the Egyptian Bronze which is Gold...the electric windows is also interesting..that does kinda suggest it was/had some kind of official capacity if a government car...when you said grey I waas thinking maybe a funeral car...also they did have a silver type colour in those...my mate had a HK Brougham in the 80s that was sort of silver/gold if you could imagine that...he seems to think it was silver mink but I don't think it was ...it was different...it was a nice colour with black vinyl roof and black interior...no electric windows or A/C front bench seat..307 power glide with P/S...he basically gave it away in the mid 90s and now forever cursing himself...I'm presuming in NZ that gov cars at the time had different plates...so if you can find out the original rego that would support the theory for instance in Aus Federal gov cars at the time had a red Z for the first letter on their plates..SA gov reserved the 3 letter Q etc...you can get from 3rd party sources and also from Holden the original details of the car...but I don't know how far back or reliable the information is...I'm thinking if it was a special order and painted a special colour it would have come from the factory that way...it seems special fleet/gov colour schemes etc was not unusual for the time and the factories seemed to make to order...if originally with air con those models had an under dash system so maybe look for any mounting holes etc...

Andrew

Govt plates

Submitted by HTskids on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 21:01.

I know in later years govt cars had special plates. A mate of mine in Australia called in to an old panel beater who has old paint code books. He found a grey paint with the code 10872 so one digit out. He said it’s a fleet vehicle colour. Fleet vehicle luxury car?? Maybe it arrived here grey and it was painted gold/bronze years later. It’s potentially on it’s 4th paint colour that I know of, not the unmolested car I would like to have. The car has power steering too. Air con wasn’t all that popular on cars over here compared to Australia back then. I can’t think of anyone I know with an old Holden or ford that has air con. We don’t get regular 30+ degree days over here. So it had the giant heater box in the engine bay and a separate air con unit mounted in the centre on the bottom of the dash?

yes that model had the large

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Thu, 19/04/2018 - 22:22.

yes that model had the large centre under dash system as an option. I don't think many cars actually had it though.Most old cars don't have A/C over here either (at least not when built). The late 70s Statesmans had it as standard.....other than that not a lot of cars had it..and those dreaded A6 GM compressors don't last too long before needing big $$$$ thrown at them...so most cars of the era that did have A/C don't have cold A/C.....prior to early 70s most cars didn't even have heaters...

Andrew

Paint code solved

Submitted by HTskids on Sat, 21/04/2018 - 17:03.

10972 Egyptian Bronze (met.) GMH 1969 Trial

10973 Etruscan Gold GMH 1969 Trial

I asked someone who has a lot of knowledge on holdens who I won’t name as I don’t know them personally. He found out the info above. It’s from a dulux shade manual. Seems like it’s a rare car.

glad you found out...that's a

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Sun, 22/04/2018 - 10:35.

glad you found out...that's a nice colour on the Brougham...I particularly like those with the contrasting cream roof and interior..but most you see in that colour have black roofs and trim which your's also had...it would be good if one day you can put it back to original...I don't think too many of those had the electric windows option either...probably at the time the thinking was it was some new fangled idea that would never take off...like the Australian view of automatic transmissions in the early 60s and the CEO of IBM in the 50s that said there was probably a world wide market for several computers....

Andrew

Vinyl roof

Submitted by HTskids on Sun, 22/04/2018 - 14:16.

So based on the trim code mine had a black vinyl roof? I’m not expecting the electric windows to work...... I’ll definitely get them working. There’s a couple of chrome trim pieces for the door cards I need to find or make from aluminium and get chromed. All the little bit and pieces.

the vinyl roof was a standard

Submitted by Ctrl-Alt-Delete on Sun, 22/04/2018 - 15:40.

the vinyl roof was a standard feature on the Brougham and it may have been possible to option it out...but in the day the vinyl roof was seen as a luxury feature and provided some contrast to quite a large car...later on when rust or damage occurred many owners removed them and painted the roofs...personally I think the Brougham and early Statesmans look better with the vinyl roofs and that's how they were predominantly made...I fixed plenty of electric windows and central locking in Statesmans...so far every problem has been corroded/dirty contacts on wiring joints or switches....easily repaired...also one or two broken wires where they pass through the door grommets...so start looking at those areas...I've never encountered yet a faulty door solenoid or window motor...you can buy reproduction door cards and vinyl roofs etc for the Brougham still - not cheap though...http://www.winnerpro...

Andrew

Cool HTskids

Submitted by 68surfwagon on Sat, 21/04/2018 - 17:19.

glad to see you finally found it and a rare one to boot,good on ya!....

Cheers Al....
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HTskids

Submitted by Triple D on Sat, 21/04/2018 - 18:40.

thats good to hear someone hear was able to help out and solve the problem for you mate.
As it being a rare colour, I know what id be doing ?
Another Old Holden getting back on the road, Does it get any better than that

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"were going to need a bigger shed"
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Thanks

Submitted by HTskids on Sun, 22/04/2018 - 14:07.

Thanks a lot for all your help guys. I’ll post a pic when she’s on the road. Hopefully by summer. Need to get a headlining and bows and sort out the wiring after I get underneath sand blasted and painted.

just be careful sand blasting

Submitted by Triple D on Sun, 22/04/2018 - 14:57.

just be careful sand blasting a car, ask around and shop around first, Ive done a lot of sand,grit,glass beed and peanut and shell beeding.
My advice on an old car glass its no so abrasive and wont heat up and worp the metal. a lot of panel shops do it this was.
Sand and a grit blast is for a lot of Industrial steal.
AS for soder blaster well.... I just dont like the sound of it and ive seen some bad results

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