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I HAVE A HB TORANA THAT I'M PULLING THE ORIGINAL MOTOR AND AUTO OUT OF. JUST WANTING TO KNOW WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST 6 CYL MOTOR AND AUTO TO PUT IN IT. I WAS THINKING 186 OR 202. WHAT MODS WILL I HAVE TO DO?

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i reckon you be beast off with a v6 from a later model commy, nice and compact and plenty of go in standard form, but thats just my choice

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A 6 wont fit, you would have to mod the firewall and thats just not worth it, go a V6 or a toyota twincam 4Cyl.
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cheers Gary.

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cheers Gary.

will i need to modify the firewall with a v6?

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hey how did you go with the project? sorry bout the late reply. i have a hb too,its was too far gone to get rego so built a drag car. just put a 202 in myself i had to cut 4 inches out of the firewall and most of the tunnel to fit motor and box, i unfortunatly had to swap 4 speed with a trimatic because the cluch kept jamming up on the floor pan. to fit the radiator i had to cut out a section so now it looks like a monster front mount hehe. but it all worked out to my advantage. im running an xf tailshaft (the only ford part) a gemmini torque converter which gives it 2800rpm-3000rpm stall and an lj banjo with 3.9 ratio.and for sound im running twin 3" straight thru pipes. for wheels im keeping the 12s on the front and running 15s on the back. i cant wait for next drag meet got a few little things to do and its showtime.

ps. if you know anyone who's restoring one and chasing parts i have few bits and pieces
email me at hotrodder52@hotmail.com

cheers

Kempto

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Sorry about my late reply.
I still have the Hb but havent put a motor in yet.
I purchased a uc Hatch with a 1.9 starfire to put in the hb. I didnt want to put a 4 cyl in it but i dont realy want to cut firewall and have to engineer it.
Other than that just stocking up on spare parts when they come up.

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If you realy want to stay Vauxhall, then fit a C20XE with a 5 speed (Ford or Toyota) and get up to 285BHP if you are keen.

Cheers,

Mort

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Yes probably..unfortuneatly

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it would be easier to cut the car in half and weld a whole 6 cyl front 2 it(wrecking a 6cl one in the process to make a 6cyl torana) !

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There never was a 6 cylinder HB torry mate. The LC was the first to get that.
Others might correct me if wrong but the HB is a rebadged or reworked Vauxhaul and bears little if any resembelance to the LC/LJ's.

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"Junk is something you throw out 3 weeks before you need it"

It is true there were never any HB's come out withany six although,they have the same floorplan and chassis.You can bolt straight in an LC- LJ 6cyl diff.This is an advantage,like the whole car,you can drop in any thing or do anything that you can do to LC's-LJ's(except for a straight 6,that would just be messy,because of the shorter front)Ive owned LC's,LJ's sixes and fours.I once had a LC GTR with a sik six,alot of money was put into it,until theives got a hold of it.(I got it back stripped of all its goodies)Im currently planning a commy V6 conversion for my HB.(Unfamiliar territory for me)its going to be a BIG LEARNING LESSON,but it will be a bloody top lil pocket rocket.

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You are completely right mate,and guess what,,im doing exactly the same as you,i was going to fit an isuzu motor and work it but ive scrapped that idea,im puttin in the V6 commy motor...we have alot in common here mate.Ive had LCs,LJs but the only one i held onto was the HB.Im 36 and ive had it since i was 18.

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You are dead right mate,im not listening to opposing opinions.So hearing you say that confirms only what a torana enthusiast would know.Ive known this for 20 yrs.Sorry to hear about ya LC gtr,i had one too and the same thing happened.

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u dont have a clue mate

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HMMM.only have to mod/replace firewall,front suspension,steering,brakes,transmission tunnel,diff and a thousand little items.no motors will fit hb's easily exept the original,even most 4 cyls are too long and the brakes barely handle the original massive 1200 cc motor !.it can be done but how many thousands do you want to spend?

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Mate its the same as doing it to a LJ,LC six,same chassis/floorplan just shortened at the front.Ive owned them all,know em inside out.

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i hope you find a good combo, id like to do the same to my hb, look at v6 gemis. let us know?

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here is an auction I found but has some pic's on engine bay & as you can see a good chop to fit the 6cylinder.
http://www.trademe.c...

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ih i have just brought a 1969 hb torana and i am planing on putting it back on the road with a CA18 in it just would like to no how the ca will fit before i buy the motor .
The car also has the original 12inch wheels and i want to get rid of them and put 13 14 or even 15s on it does any one no where ill get these rims from or off what type of car thanks Kev

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gemini and camira wheels fit both are 13'

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I owned one of each at various times

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..and coming out is probably more socially acceptable...
:-)
The last of the Vauxhall bloody Vivas was like an LJ on acid. Truly disgusting little motor cars - urrk!

However the HB Torrie with LC/LJ front has been done and looks quite acceptable.

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Cheap, Fast, Good - pick two.
If its cheap and its fast - it wont be good.
If its good and its cheap - it wont be fast.
If its fast and its good - it wont be cheap.

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I have a next to perpect condition 2 door 68 sl HB.I bought it as a second car for the mrs as i had a LC GTR(regretfully stolen,retreived and then sold)The HB Reliable as standard,got me around for years,now its been garaged for about 15 years and i have plans to turn it into a little pocket rocket,originaly i was planning the isuzu motor conversion,now i want to drop in a 3.8l commodore V6 from a vr onwards,and i know i can bolt in a six cyl banjo diff out of a LC or LJ,but will it handle the V6?

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V6 into HB....
Is this the stupidest motor swap & mod that has ever been proposed on this site? Putting a relatively large iron motor up front in a flimsy, unco, little sedan. It's not like it even has a reasonably long wheelbase, like the LC/LJ sixes, to carry it all about.

To the Holden Fan 'expert' who knows about the "same chassis" etc, why do so few non drag-racing folk attempt motor swaps with these cars? (much less succeed...!)
Because it is infinitely more trouble than it is worth.

People, eh!

HKing of Inane

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

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Emu

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You obviosly dont know much about these toranas,actually you dont have a clue mate.I suppose you think V6 into gemi's is an easy good idea?Ive owned more toranas than i can remember(HB,LC,LJ)and know them like the back of my hand.IF THEY CAN PUT A PIGS HEART IN A HUMAN IM SURE I COULD PUT A V6 INTO AN HB!

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Errrm... your comment, especially the capitalised bit, does nothing for your argument but does say a lot about your 'thought' processes.

That they are a Torana doesn't simply and automatically make them good.

That you've owned and know 'em like the back of your hand does not simply and automatically make them good or the V6 HB a good combo either.

Plenty of O.H. members, and others alike, are aware of the probs of even the 6cyl version of the LC & LJ models, much less the customised V8 versions. Popular? Yes.
A gem of engineering: heavy &/or long iron motor in an extended, skinny shell? No, sir.

Just as member Blue FC wrote, very clearly a few comments above this, it's a swap only SAFELY and SUCCESSFULLY done with more money and time than the result would be worth to most reasoning motoring enthusiasts. Drag racing set-ups especially for the track are a totally different story of course.

HKing, all heart.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

Wins again!

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Emu

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Mate flimsy is not a word to describe an HB Torana,an HB is as strong as a LC or LJ 6,with the advantage of being lighter at the same time.Do this,get a LC/J six and an HB both up on hoists and just look at the undercarraige and then you will see and understand what wer'e on about.Its like this,putting an 8 or V6 into a HB is the same as doing it to an LC/LJ.From HB owner.

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You dont have a clue mate.P.S I have an advantage Im a boilermaker/metal fabricator and a mech.PP.S have you looked at gemi's with V6's?now thats nowhere as near as "flimsy" as an HB Torana,an HB is not to be described as "flimsy"now thats alot of work and money!..But i takes determened people like me figure out what you can and cant do..
post something u genuienly know about!

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How can someone take you seriously? We can't even understand what you actually type.
Tip: re-read what you type.

Somewhere in your illiterate, bumbling, but clearly cranky mumblings is a reference to my Gemini observations.
Clarification: I haven't mentioned them.

Flimsy? Think about it, will you. Roughly when the Opel blokes pencilled this el-cheapo little gem of a car back in the 60's, the most solid thing on the roads was probably Volvo's 140/160 series - infinitely stronger than our HB I think we'd all agree. That Swedish design wouldn't be too solid by modern standards but it would still be a tank compared to any Opel/Vauxhall/Holden creature of the 60's and 70's. Nevertheless, you want to drop a 180+kg(?) 130+kw V6 into/onto the shell and front end designed to handle a 100kg(?) 38kw 4 - and not have any concern for its capacity to safely handle the differences.

Pretty much EVERYTHING back then was indeed flimsy. Make all the boilers and service all the Magna's you like - done WELL, the V6 HB convo is an expensive and complex exercise.
Done well, you'll note. Actually done well/thoroughly/legally/effectively.

HKing of Walloon.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

YOU dont even know what your talkin about ..'hey mate'! get the facts from the right people if u dont know yourself! From HB owner and Torana Enthusiest(Like Myself)

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I think so or misinformed,im not to judge,but mate you right off the tracks,I have an HB Torana with a commodore V6,and it beats anything(except those with more traction than me)

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You have actually have more modifications combo,s with an HB than any other torana and the V6 commy engine is 1 of them.And ive done it!!!P.S with a six cyl torana banjo behind it!Its a peice of work that im proud of,and mostly using self taught labour,that ive known since i was 16yrs,im now 36.It was built mostly with torana knowledge + a bit of commodore info.

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You and your split personality buddies (surely not all of you are equally illiterate?) are all talk. You haven't and almost certainly WILL NOT put up a pic of your 'hero car'.
Strong? Well derr! As long as 'strong' is only referring to acceleration. Look, such a combo could definitely be fast in a straight line (woo hoo!) but would NOT be a GOOD CAR in its own right. Think body rigidity (strong?), balance, handling, roadholding, vibration, legality, etc, etc...

Do you get it?
Do you understand what I've been writing?
Did you even read what I posted? (you respond a lot but none of your recent comments show much comprehension...)

Still no substantial response to the chassis and body shell issues that characterise your run-of-the-mill minicar tinbox from the 60's - especially with an additional 100+ unwanted kilos dropped on the front end. Mods NOT necessary? So, essentially, just slap in a 'box, diff', ULP tank arrangement and hit the road??

Unless your...

shops,
kid's school,
friends' and rellos' houses,
holiday destinations,
workplace,
Centrelink and
all other places of interest and necessity

...are at the other end of a private drag strip that starts at your house, then your fantasy custom combo will be a poorly conceived drongo of a car.

I certainly hope you've done something else for the last 20yrs, other than tinker with your homebaked HB....

Good luck with uploadinng pics of yer 'wonder car', rego'd and on the road.

HKing, curious.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

He's dead right mate.

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I own a HB too and I've owned a few 6 cylinder LC/LJ's and they're similar underneath but I don't think they are the same. When I bought my HB it had a 6 cylinder diff and 6 cylinder front suspension in it and they WEREN'T a bolt in fit, the car was modified to suit.

Personally I think the V6 Commodore motor would be a pretty good thing in a HB. They are a very solid little car body wise but you would need to upgrade the brakes and suspension to cope. At the end of the day it's no less a sensible swap than putting a V8 into a 6 cylinder LC/LJ but it would require a fair bit more work IMO. There's only about 100mm difference in the wheelbase between a 4 cyl body and a 6 cyl body, the majority of the extra length in the 6 cylinder cars is in the front overhang. If done right it would make a very cool car, although I think the HB is an aquired taste, it's not everybody's cup of tea.

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Thanks alot Dave for your input there it was very infomative to me. I learned something,but im not sure about the 6 cyl diff changeover.It looks identical underneath to the rear to a 6 cyl LC,LJ to me,just have to use the 6cyl diffs traling arms(Plus different size shocks,springs).But the frontend from a 6cyl i know its not just bolt in,but the width is right.correct me if im wrong the lc,lj,ta are all the same shells except for the six cyl which is longer to fit a straight six.

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This is a hero's thread.

Any pics lads???

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Emu

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I would be interested to see a few pictures of the conversion that is spoken about as well.
By the way a red 6 cyl does fit in to a HB you just need to remove a few none important things, like some of the firewall and parts of the floor etc.
I have a picture [http://gallery.oldho...|Here] that shows were we fitted a red 6 into one.
Also my memory may be fading but I seem to remember that the LC/J 4 cyl body's had different diff mounting points on the body than the 6 cyl body,s.
From the firewall forwards are different too. The rails, the panels, the front sub frame all of it.
By the way any car can be modified to fit any engine if you either have a lot of skill yourself or a huge wallet full of money that you do not mind wasting.
But if it is practical/worth the effort is a different mater all together.
Cheers Paul.

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My memory is similar to yours Paul, I'm reasonably sure there are differences between the floor pans but it has been a long time since I've stuck my head under one to have a look. My HB is a racecar in the making and the floor pan is long gone, but i do remember when I got it a previous owner had stuck a 6 cylinder diff in it and had done a crude job of welding in the 6 cylinder mounting points to get it in.

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David

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I reckon a rotary would be a good fit into a HB or 4-cyl LC-LJ-TA.

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Banjo diff fits under, need to cut top brakets off banjo housing and reweld. Use lc/lj top arms.
Then cut&weld lower or get new ones made (whiteline) couple hundred bucks.
Chop off the single hand brake cable mount, weld in two for each handbrake cable, cut two holes in floor pan for both cables to go through floor. Undo the two bolts, replace hand brake and weld some 2mm plate over the two holes.
Take distance between tailshaft input flange and gear end output shaft, take two tails to tailshaft bloke and have sorted.
Rock on over to enzed and have a couple of hoses made.

my welding job was very crude. Out by a few mm on one side upper arm.

The master cylinder will need to be replaced as you will then have only about 20mm of brake lock up, foot to floor before brakes are useable to do larger rear cylinders.

THe front end. Cut off radius arms from lj member, cut of ~10cm from 4 banger radius arms. Mount to car, raise cross member align and weld. Then take control rods and ship to US and get a couple of early mustang rods or possibly find rear from a morris minor, or possibly kombi. Sort out rest of the stuff.

Nother Dave

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This thread is about half a decade old.... :-)

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

I am relating to so much you guys are saying I've had LJ'S LC'S,I had an LCGTR XU1 that was stolen and I got it back stripped of all it's goodies so in my sadness I sold it to a mate who gladly built her up again but the only one I held on to was the HB,it's been garaged since I got it when I was 18 as a second car and I was going to do the Isuzu conversion but never got around to it then I thought stuff it I'm going the V6 but now I'm keeping it original but buy another one and do the V6 on another coupe and I have heaps of parts and spare doors,bonnet,boot,bumpers and grill and more so I can't wait to do both of them as the one I have needs some fixed panel body damage caused by two cars hitting it one was an cc ford reversed into it in the back and pushed in the panel under the rear bumper and the panel just behind the drivers door both from other cars while it was stationary,she has had some bad luck but I will be putting her back to perfect and build the V6 one which like another bloke said they have the same floorpan as the LJ LC so I'm thinking on using a LJ/LC diff and complete front Crossmember so I will be starting both builds real soon I will put some pictures up,I couldn't believe how much of what I read I could relate too,I have felt like the only person in the country who has loved these little beasts.p.s I'm going the auto with the V6 one..cheers

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remember seeing one at the hillclimb down dapto way in the early 70's

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And it was the towbar from the XC that did the damage under the rear bumper.Pricks.....White Commodore V6 powered Torana coming soon

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Oh and the clown who calls himself HKing you know nothing,I have read most of your [Naughty Pottyword] and I am 41 years old and know HB,LC,LJ's very extensively(sorry if that's too big a word for you)and I'm doing the same with a HB and am using the same set up as the other guy and I know exactly what I'm on about bud.If it's such a stupid idea then how come there are a fair few with the same idea and it's been done I've even seen it done to anLJ 4 and it's a show condition streetmachine.

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Its a shame that after 7 years the others haven't managed to put pics up. I'm also surprised nobody has brought pistachio's to this thread yet.

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If you are, as expected, the same as all the other home-engineering heroes, this car will never, ever eventuate. That's not a bad thing though, because the very basic technical and safety queries I posted are also not addressed.

How often have we seen photos of such projects...? Partly built, surrounded by long grass in a scrappy yard, kid's trike lying sideways, flat plastic soccer ball nearby, mower left in the open air, other project car gathering dust/rust/rats/cats/parts in the background, faded tarp over some friend/rello's forgotten 3rd car, near the 'performance car' project there's a patch of dead grass where the wife's salty tears have burnt the ground. Sad but all too common... :-\

HK'ing.

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'i'm definately shore that guage wont work with my tuff bango diff and Opal sydcrome box,if it goes though my grill,and I put the breaks on I realize its better with the glimer belt & tunned holly and Ederbrock duel feul webber gaurds, wiht etc primmer.'

Words and spelling match for once

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Life is too brief to build ya own time machine
With out old Aussie products an a few blurbombs 🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃🥃.

they're out of work...
rent...
drive a charade...
and only have a plant for a pet..Sad but all..................

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I hav'nt got any pistachios,but would you like some toasted corn,mmmm.I'll save this seat for Tambo,he should be here soon?......

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Cheers Al....
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So long as its super sweet.

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yep you can have em in all different types!.....

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The dog ate my homework.

Now, who brought pistachios?

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only by around 7 years

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HR ambo's are a bit slow,not as Quick as a V6 HB?

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At least I got lights and sirens.

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lol!

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far canel!! all this stuff about stickn v6 in hb toranas/vivas! come ova here to nz!theres truck loads a v8s in em! they were popular drag cars,still lots lurkn the back strets!!me personally, i prefer the lcs n ljs,i helped a mate years ago stick a 350 chev n turbo 350 in an hb viva, yip! cut firewall, motor sat back about 6 inches,i also no of someone who put a sbc into of all things!! a morris marina!! used a lj front sus unit, that! was a sleeper!in my opinion, just because its not your thing, why bag some one else because its wat there into!, after all, its cars, its holdens,were petrol heads! im a firm beleiver that fords were created to keep dick heads out holdens!!

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I put a jag V12 in on you just gotta uze good break pads up front thats all and m21 box with customed brakets

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Sorry guys I put a 229 v6 chev in a hb torana in 1994 and still have it to this day

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Not that I'm into Toranas but like to check out peoples mods.
What was the car for?
Even thou I think theres a 50% chance your telling bull[Naughty Pottyword].

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Get up that ladder grandpa your only 66.

Sounds like a bewdy. It'd be great to see..

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I own a hb/lc torana. Street legal built in my shed. See it on youtube

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Here u go

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