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I'm pretty sure that the 48K price tag on this old girl is very optimistic but there is no doubt that the side flash is unusual. Ive seen other side flashes on HkTG's but not this flash? Anyone seen this flash before?
My very first car (HT) had a side flash. I towed that one to the tip though. Geeeze i was a d*%^&head when I was young.

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That one is an AutoLux HT300 flash kit.

There was one also available with chequered flag at front.

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Very nice car Alby,I like that,Can't say I remember seeing one like that though!..

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Cheers Al!.
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Beautiful car.
I've heard that dealers did stripe packages to their own designs.

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That's is a flash flash, haven't seen one before. Nice car, that Sting Red really pops in the photos

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Bryan

Dang it, that's me done..
I'd own it, very nice. But for $48K, I'll buy 2 or 3 White Hot Specials thanks..

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With me!. I have a feeling that the white hots are now well outside of our price range if that car sells at that price. Its only a 6cyl
We could buy a hellava lot of hyundai excels though!
(On second thoughts i'll leave the hyundai's to you)

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I'd be happy with one WHS Alby..
And BTW, that's a no from me, to any Hyundais thanks.

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Looks like the sort of thing you'd buy from an auto accessory shop and stick on whatever you wanted to me, I've never seen any NASCO ones like that.

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prices are getting out of hand.they are getting like house prices...those that have one are set but those that havnt got one will be locked out of the market.thats not a good thing for the future of old aussie cars as the potential newcomers will go elsewhere(after all you could pick from a large selection of good yank/jap hi-po cars for that money)

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that is a nice flash on the one,
my first 3 cars were all hK T or G's and i remember more than once going home after a day of bushbashing the local fire trails via the tip to gets some spares for the bumpers or guards ihad dented thta day lol, i even swapped my whole interior one day as the black one from the premier on the pile was more cool than my baby poo brown one. back then the council guys would even bring a front end loader over an pull cars out of the pile for you if you asked. i remember one day swapping a complete front end as i had bent mine in the middle trying to jump the car on a MX track lol
those old cars took more of a bashing than many modern 4x4's will take.

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Its hard to believe that the Tip used to be a "free for all", Now they're run like shops (re-selling, recycling) and they charge the earth o dump there.

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I like the car but I'm not so sure about the flash...I'm thinking it's something just customised as part of the restoration? Re house prices - come and live in SA - ours haven't gone up much at all - quite cheap relative to Eastern states....re price of Old Holdens...what is the demographic of the those that are currently interested and passionate - overwhelmingly I don't think it's the youth...balding middle aged men with hairy backs and pot guts..? So once YOU yes YOU old farts lose interest or fall off the perch will the demand be there to support inflated prices...you can buy a Rolls Royce for less than an HQ...

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Andrew

You're right! Who ever thought that could possibly happen back in the day??
You couldn't give them away once.

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Don't know about them losing popularity the old EH premier is a well sort after car still along with others.
I certainly would love a FJ panel van an l didn't grow up with them on every corner.
I have found it's the people that strip them push the prices up not the owners an at least you can fix a Holden anywhere not like these new plastic throw aways shopping bags.

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Life is too brief to build ya own time machine
With out old Aussie products cheers.

Red and Grey motors are notorious for stripping timing gears. I would love to see the average person fix one of those on the side of the road without the special tools.

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Just wack another donkey in it no special spanners also havnt stripped the gears yet!!!!

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Life is too brief to build ya own time machine
With out old Aussie products cheers.

Or the fibre gear has already been replaced by an alloy one.

Like to see you put a new motor in anywhere any time?

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You don't talk to farmers much do you.
😂

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Life is too brief to build ya own time machine
With out old Aussie products cheers.

Still like to see a farmer replace an engine on the side of the road without a hoist. In fact I recon if you picked 100 people at random to fix a Holden with either a stuffed timing gear or to change an engine on the side of the road less than 20% could do it no matter where in Australia you did it. So your comment of "at least you can fix the old ones yourself" is just not true.

My breakdowns in Holdens are:
Torana, spun big end (no fix on side of road) blown gearbox, (no fix on side of road) Hole in piston (not fixed on side of road)
Kingswood: (Stripped timing gear (no fix on side of road) Dropped valve (no fix on side of road) broken points (fixed on side of road) Starter motor (fixed on side of road)
Commodore Started motor (fixed on side of road), 2 x Fuel pump (not fixed on side of road) Crank angle sensor (not fixed on side of road)

I repaired all but had to have the car transported to my house to access the tools required.

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. i have driven the fc home with no universal cups (twice.made some out of masking tape).no clutch-broken slave cylinder.broke the top off a piston(bit rattilly and smokey).2nd gear only.broke i rod,through the side of block but didnt jam-got 25 ks out of that one and drove my hk(teenage years) to work,10ks without a radiator for 8 weeks.just some of them.....

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They usally give you a warning that something is going to stop working soon,l have driven home with a piston out the side,drove many with no clutch or a broken speco shifter,one wheel nut also no radiator in the rain ,just to mention a few also a lot off farmers have fork lifts on there tractors an used to use old red six bangers in water pumps etc

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Life is too brief to build ya own time machine
With out old Aussie products cheers.

But I am not a farmer and nor is 85% of the population. So once again not everyone can "fix their old car".

I have not included the repairs I made before they completely failed, these were the ones that gave little to no warning and I was stranded on the side of the road. And maybe I could have tried to drive the car further with a spun bearing, but that would just cause more damage. And this required an engine rebuild, how many people in the average street would rebuild an engine for their car? I work with 50 engineering tradesmen and less than 20 of those would consider pull an engine out of a car and less again would rebuild it, they would simply pay a Mechanic to do so.

What I find really interesting about the old Vs new argument is that there are far more cars on the road today, yet the average Aussie car is still 14 years old. When we had the Motoring Appreciation Days back in the 80s to stop the government removing our old cars from the road it was also 14 years old. Yet there are less small motor mechanics around today. Where I live we have half the number of mechanical workshops as we did 30 years ago, but twice the number of cars. So if we had 1 mechanic for 1000 cars we now have 1 mechanic for 4000 cars. So my conclusions for this are:

New cars need less servicing (no grease on ball joints, sealed wheel bearings etc)
The new cars are more reliable
People are not repairing their cars as much, yet still keeping them as long
People are fixing their own cars more today (I doubt this, the % of people servicing and repairing would be the same or as you argue less)

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VS COMMYs aren't worth anything same as ten yr old Astras the only thing l carry in my VT is a screwdriver so l can take the plates with me when it stops .old cars had glass fuel bowls for filters an carbys that could be taken apart dizzys that could be reset coils that took ten minutes to find out what's wrong new cars have sensors an a mile off wires an more safety crap than you can possibly imagine that can go wrong ,l nearly totaled my first VS cause it corrected it self that quickly.an how is rubber timing belts ,crank angle sensors,dodgy airbag lights an rubbers in the driveshaft better not to mention how quickly commys chew tires cause off the camber that the standard person will not stick there head under the back gaurds to see.PS ya forgot panel beaters

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Life is too brief to build ya own time machine
With out old Aussie products cheers.

No but I obviously did.

I have owned Holdens from 50s through to VZ. All have their problems and all are different. I have fixed them, rebuilt them, modified them, restored them etc.

Yes the new ones are more complicated but then a HZ Statesman is highly complicated compared to an FJ. I remember an auto electrician telling me that these fan dangled new alternators with their electronic rectifier were nothing but trouble, at least you can repair a commutator, you can see what is wrong with it, clean it up and away you go. One of those diodes go and you do not know which one, just as likely to take the others with it.

Yes VS Commodores are worth nothing they are currently 22 years old. HKs were worth nothing in 1990 and HQs in 96 were stacked 10 deep at the tip. So history is repeating itself, so just like the HQ a VS will one day be worth a lot more, and the VS fans will be criticizing VFs.

Panel beaters have become panel changers these day, especially with the write off register and the willingness of the insurance companies to use it.

I guess I should stick with my 350,000km VT with all its original driveline unaltered and wish for my HZ Kingswood back that was onto its third engine and second gearbox at 400,000km.

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So if old cars had glass fuel bowls, then no Holden after 1967 is an Old Holden as ALL V8s have a filter in the fuel line.

I can agree with that, Kingswood, Monaro, Statesman, Brougham, Commodore, Berlina and Calias are NOT old Holdens according to YOUR logic.

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Third engine and second gearbox in 400,000km???
Was the HZ driven very hard and never serviced?
I ask because my father had a HZ 3.3 auto wagon company that did 450,000km in just over 4 years and had nothing more than regular maintanance and never needed anything more than tyres and brake linings. It was the best of all his company cars.
David

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No well serviced. Dropped valve cost one engine change, the other rings. it was over a longer period of time, 30 years, so more hot cold than your dads.

Number 5 each time I would expect, but that was the problem area for ADR27a 202s.

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don't know about grey motors but reds give lots of warnings that something is going to happen you have a hell of alot better chance of getting a broken down red going on the side of the road than an ecotec. Thats a dickhead comment from a bloke that doesn't do maintance

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Do a trade son you'll all ways get work. What a load of shiit that turned out to be.

I can remember buying FEs and FCs for $2 on Saturday Mornings at Sydney Motor Auctions in Carter Street Lidcombe back in the '70s.....and playing chicken with them in the paddocks down the end of Chisholm Road Auburn. I caught up with an old mate from then about 18 years ago and he had a photo album with receipts for a pile of FEs and FCs in it. I worked for Suttons Parts at the time so I took the album in to work the next day. One bloke looked at the receipts and said he got ripped off. He paid $4 for one!!!! And I sold a HK GTS 327 Monaro for $1,400 in 1978. HPP 512 was the rego. Where is it now....... How times have changed.

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I think the story running about the Lloyds auction Monaro (that only got to half of their trumpeted price) has got every turkey with an old holden thinking they are worth millions...bunnies are about tho... I suspect Lloyds have done an advertising deal with one of the media mobs as I see a lh Torana being pumped to hit "record prices" in some paper the other day. Nine and seven are shockers for "news stories" that are thinly disguised adverts....

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"QUOTE" Nine and seven are shockers for "news stories" that are thinly disguised adverts....

I didnt realize they did anything else, lol I hate the way that they promote a story all day details on the news, then the whole hour they say its coming up soon, then after the weather they throw on 1 minute of barely related cr@p that usually tells yo nothing that anyone with the IQ of a 10 yr old would already know

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no details of ID for the car in the add...I suspect its a scam.

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dirdsme ,it will go like the morris minors in the early 80,s .they went through the roof. lots of money paid for cars by the 40s, 50,s age group within 15 or so years was all over.the younger generation wasnt into them and the older people either had one already or couldnt drive them anymore.look at the price of minors now, you can buy an exellent example for a few grand.

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Funny I've read everyone's comments re red vs Ecotel and how you can fix one on the side of the road but not others. I've enjoyed what everyone said an the passion for you views, but I have to say I just love cars - mainly Holden's, but others in general. I have owned daily drives over 30 years and varied from FB,s to the latest VF. They have each had good and bad aspects and while I have a few really special cars (the FB ute, LX Torana with RTS, VH SLX 4.2 V8 Country Pack, VS Berlina, VE V8 Calais and the latest VF V8 - without my dads HZ Caprice too) which I wish I could have kept I'd like to start over and drive them all again. MAny of the 15 company or private Commodores I have owned went 50-90k's each year. They each have had a character to them and I have great memories of drives in each of them. Day trips that went had me spend they day driving and then returning home - many over 1000kms in a day but some almost 1500. The thing my rant is trying to say is the cars suited the times - taking a red motor and trying to make it run to comply with today's pollution requirements would be dire yet try and have an Ecotel serviced in the 80s and it would have been equally a problem. So the debate about the value or lack of value of a car is a little pointless to me as I would easily own one two or three of each model made and love every minute enjoying them - if I had the money, the agreement of the missus and the time to spend with them. So keep up the comments but don't lose sight of what is important - the cars and they joy they give

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