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Fitting "Old School" roof racks

Hi all,

I am in the process od restoring a 1971 HG Kingswood wagon for my daughter who is fully into surfing and beach culture and loves retro early aussie cars. I have no doubt that this will be the first of many posts that I will be making!

I am wondering if someone can advise me about fitting a set of old school roof racks to the car? I have sourced a set of racks that I believe were the kind that they came out with as an option from factory with the chrome running strips that are screwed to roof and the four feet also screwed to roof. My question is, is there anything I should be mindful off when installing these? Can the runners and feet just be screwed with self tapping screws? Do I need to be concerned with screwing into the roof for water leakage?

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Sounds like the roof rack I brought in 1976 which were after market. Stainless steel tracks sat on a moulded piece of black plastic as did the 4 mounts that were on an angle. Seen them fitted with the angle pointed forward and backwards but can't remember which way was right. Never felt safe driving around with to much weight relying on 8 self tapers holding the whole show on. Doubt they were an option in 79 but someone on hear will be able to tell you

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I make & supply retro 'CLASSIC OZ RACKS' for any vehicle with rain gutters I have supplied a number of Old Holdens EH Wagons & Saloons,
HJ Premier, Kingswood & Sandman. WWW.CLASSICOZRACKS.com.au, Facebook Classic Oz Racks, Gumtree & EBAY. 0243811991.
regards Brian

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Surfwagon, aka Big Al knows about this as he has a wagon and is one of those surfer type persons (nice bloke to boot) with those surfing boards on the roof racks.....
Over to you Al

Cheers
Keith

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Cheers
Keith

Thanks, I think they are genuine racks but possibly could be for a later model HJ, HQ ?. If I can work out how to post pic I will and that might help.

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Sounds like you have the later model racks that screw to the roof.I cant remember them coming out on HG wagons but I do remember them on HJXZ.I have the old retro aftermarket ones on my HK wagon,the type that either Kmart or Repco sold back then,the 3 hole bracket ones.I have heard the ones you have are not very strong for strapping boards to though,but it's up to yourself if you want to use them.I have never fitted or used those type of racks,so the only advise I can give you is make sure to get the proper size screws,try to find some thin rubber strips to go under the chrome plates & seal around them properly, when you install them.I have heard also that those type of racks create rust around them to, if not kept clean.Have you thought of putting retro racks on it with the 2 bars across the roof,most surf cars of the late 60s & the 70s had the ones like I have.I could take a pic for you if you like & put it on the front page so you can get an idea of other types?...hope this might help you a bit!...
btw; That Keijames is a great bloke to,(I want his Monaro),haha!..

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Cheers Al....
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Cheers Al, thanks for your help. I really like the look of the ones I have got for the car but I am concerned if we have surfboards on top (we live on the gold coast) that the screws may rip out. The car is about to come out of the paint shop so I am not sure if I should even be considering drilling holes in the roof. Do the retro ones that you are talking about with the 2 bars clamp on to the gutters?

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Yeah they do mate,I just put a couple of pics on the front page of my car to show you,you can pick em up off ebay every now & then they come up,just put in Vintage Roof Racks!...
I wouldn't be drilling holes in it,especially with new paint,but that's just my opinion.
I've never seen a HG wagon with those racks on it & Ive seen a lot of surf cars for about the last 38 years!..

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Cheers Al....
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Love your wagon Al, awesome looking car.

I have put up a pick of the racks that I am talking about (sorry it is sideways). The car is a 1971 HG Kingswood wagon we spotted at the Cooly Rocks Festival. So the car is not mine but the kids looking at it are.

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mate,well I've seen a HG wagon with those racks now,haha.Hope you can work out what you would like to do,whatever way I think it will be ok,just remember when driving along,the surfboards get a lot of wind under them!...

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Advice about using the right size self taping screws will not help holding the racks on . You will find if you keep carrying to much weight the screws will eventually pullout. You just have to redrill the mounts and use a larger screw and wait for it to happen again. Speaking from experience with that type of rack.

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You've got a great rack.... hehe... Seems like your getting a rep for showing them off too!

Yep, I want Kei's Monaro too. It's flippin' awesome.

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"It was then I knew I'd had enough, burned my credit card for fuel
Headed out to where the pavement turns to sand...."

Cheers, John

The roof rack you describe was an after market supplied rack and normally fitted at dealership. They were an option as early as 1963 AP5 Valiant Safari. I know because I was after one many years ago for my 1963 Safari. When I was researching and hunting one down I learnt that they were still being fitted up to 1983 on Chryster/Mitsubishi Sigma. I found my first one at a wreckers, it was fitted to an XC falcon wagon. I tried unscrewing the self tappers but they would back off but not come out. I climbed into the car to investigate and cut away a portion of roof lining. There were threaded fixing plates that the outer bolts attached to. After I got it off surprisingly there was no rust on the roof of the falcoon. Though as mentioned above they are fitted with black plastic strips under the stainless strips and the four chromed feet.
A while after sourcing that rack I was a swap meet and scoured a brand new one in the box circa mid sixties. It had the fitting instructions and the base plates and bolts. The feet of the rack also lean rearwards.
Worth noting. I initially wanted the racks to fit to my Val' wagon to put the mals on but couldn't bring myself to drill into the roof, especially as the Safari roof has contoured longitudual swage lines running the length of the roof. As Al mentioned most surfers of the day used the cheaper basic two bar gutter gripping rail. The rack you and I have were more the Mum and Dad holiday maker/travelling salesman type.

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Bryan

Hi Bryan,

I appreciate your advice. I am going to fit the racks can you clarify for me which way the angle on the feet should lean? I am looking at pics online and the majority seem to be mounted so that the feet lean forward towards front of the car. Should the angle on the feet be rearward or forward?

Thanks

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Thanks guys great advice!

That makes sense Bryan that they were fitted originally with base plates and bolts. I will look at going down this path, I should be able to make up some plates to go on the inside to hold the rack down properly. If it cant be done I will go with the other option of the two bar ones that clamp onto the sills.

cheers

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